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yellowperil 09-04-2023 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by oldE (Post 12082023)
Geez, Dennis. I hope you meant that to be in green font.
I realize many folks who are fans of F1 racing would like to see other winners, but this level is supposed to be the pinnacle. Yes, Newey designed the best car on the grid and Max uses it to its full potential. He wins races. A lot of races. If other teams want to change that, they know what they need to do. Put together a better package of design, support and drivers.
Even with the best car, look at how many times this year Checo has been beaten. I am not Max's biggest fan. I remember calling him Max Crashstappen earlier in his career but you have to admire what he and the team have accomplished.

Best
Les

Yes of course "tongue in cheek" , I don't know how to green font. Max is a gentleman to the (wait for it) MAX . Very likeable. Although he
did kick his car once.

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rfuerst911sc 09-04-2023 05:39 AM

Red Bull has a great team . They have one great driver and one very good driver . Can't lose sight that Checo would be leading the championship for RB if there was no Max . They are firing on all cylinders . Race strategy is excellent . Pit stops are flawless . They have raised the bar .

It is the responsibility of all the other teams to step up and meet the challenge . It is NOT the responsibility of the FIA to dumb down or alter rules so others can catch up . That is not what competition is about .

Fact: not every team can win the championship just like in all sports . Dominance is the level everyone works to achieve . Some make it and some don't . Life's an ongoing struggle for excellence . And that's the way it should be .

GH85Carrera 09-04-2023 05:52 AM

I watched the Pre-race coverage. They all took a short train ride and then walked a few minutes to the track to show how green they are. Of course, they did not mention the truckloads of camera gear and the camera staff that had to get to the track.

And on F1 itself, they have the very same thump thump thump "music" blasting with a DJ dancing around at every venue. When it is just a beat, with no music involved, an iPod hooked to the speakers could do that. It sure is boring to hear thumpa thumpa thumpa and no real tune or other instruments at all for an hour. I guess I am a total geezer and truly don't understand the appeal of that. I guess there must be no royalty payments with techno "music" and no challenge to change from one song to the next. Get off of my lawn!

stealthn 09-04-2023 06:28 AM

Sorry this is getting boring…
Is their tech/aero that much better, or are they just better at “interpreting” the rules?

I know Mercedes dominated in the past but not like this, it’s getting dull to watch.

917_Langheck 09-04-2023 08:56 AM

The Mercedes period:
2014 16 of 19
2015 16 of 19
2016 19 of 21
2017 12 of 20
2018 11 of 21
2019 15 of 21
2020 13 of 17

Apart from '17 and '18, it was mostly a watch to see who finished 3rd.

Max isn't killing the sport, nor is Hambone. The FIA killed the sport when they let the manufacturers have way too much say in the rules making and determining what the formula of Formula One will be, by regulating motor parameters so tightly that there is essentially one design package that everyone has to design to, and by then freezing development under the totally bs argument about costs and wastes. The team that gets this right at the time the regs are tweaked are essentially guaranteed to win it all (unless you are Ferrari, who throw away more championship talent than is deserved, mainly due to very piss poor strategists). The teams further the killing when they start changing the car (and the strategy) through the season for one driver over the other (cough red bull cough). As for the show, well, Liberty are getting what they wanted, but that has absolutely nothing to do with racing.

Still, I watch, waiting to see who will finish 3rd.

GH85Carrera 09-04-2023 09:07 AM

Max had to work to win the last two races. It was not a start from the pole, and lead every lap, and get the fastest lap to boot.

yellowperil 09-04-2023 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 917_Langheck (Post 12082219)
The Mercedes period:
2014 16 of 19
2015 16 of 19
2016 19 of 21
2017 12 of 20
2018 11 of 21
2019 15 of 21
2020 13 of 17

Apart from '17 and '18, it was mostly a watch to see who finished 3rd.

Max isn't killing the sport, nor is Hambone. The FIA killed the sport when they let the manufacturers have way too much say in the rules making and determining what the formula of Formula One will be, by regulating motor parameters so tightly that there is essentially one design package that everyone has to design to, and by then freezing development under the totally bs argument about costs and wastes. The team that gets this right at the time the regs are tweaked are essentially guaranteed to win it all (unless you are Ferrari, who throw away more championship talent than is deserved, mainly due to very piss poor strategists). The teams further the killing when they start changing the car (and the strategy) through the season for one driver over the other (cough red bull cough). As for the show, well, Liberty are getting what they wanted, but that has absolutely nothing to do with racing.

Still, I watch, waiting to see who will finish 3rd.

Well said, good points there. I'd like to add the cars are too big and the wheels are butt ugly

URY914 09-05-2023 04:13 AM

This is the difference between F1 and IndyCar.

F1= different cars.
IndyCar=spec cars.

Which is better for the fans?

URY914 09-05-2023 05:27 AM

And in other F1 related news.....

https://sports.yahoo.com/f1-driver-carlos-sainz-reportedly-chases-down-thieves-who-stole-his-300k-watch-in-italy-023425989.html

David Inc. 09-05-2023 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stealthn (Post 12082110)
Sorry this is getting boring…
Is their tech/aero that much better, or are they just better at “interpreting” the rules?

I know Mercedes dominated in the past but not like this, it’s getting dull to watch.

The aero and suspension package work together in a way that is significantly better than the other teams can manage. Mercedes went down a bad development path partly due to a misalignment between their simulations and reality, too.

matthewb0051 09-05-2023 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by yellowperil (Post 12082283)
Well said, good points there. I'd like to add the cars are too big and the wheels are butt ugly

When I was in law school I did a summer study in London in '98. I had been an F1 fan for years at that point but had never seen an F1 car in person.

We went to a bar one night in London and they had a Williams car there. I couldn't believe how small it was. I literally thought it was a 2/3rds replica or something.

Back to the Italy GP: the penalties are sometimes pointless. George's was of no consequence and he was stupid for getting it. Hamilton's penalty should have been a drive thru or worse. You are found at fault for crash but all you get is 5 seconds, meanwhile the guy you hit ends up out of the points.

matthewb0051 09-05-2023 08:12 AM

I tried to get the F1 App to solve my Spectrum cable issue over the weekend. Now I know why I have not been able to get it installed; my bank (USAA) thinks the charge is fraudulent I suppose since it is from England.

Took me about and hour and a half on Saturday morning to get to the bottom of it. At first F1TV thought my email address didn't work so I couldn't verify. Then the agent realized the payment didn't go through.

USAA actually sent me a text on Friday when I made the purchase asking if it was OK. I responded immediately that it was OK. They still didn't pay. Then on Saturday the first agent I spoke with said it was paid, it wasn't. I called back after still not being able to login; next agent looked and found that the payment still wasn't authorized. At that point quali was over so I just gave up.

Thanks to Spectrum, Disney, and USAA for a great weekend.

rfuerst911sc 09-16-2023 05:45 AM

Whew that was quite the crash by Stroll . Glad it appears he's OK. The crew will be working like dogs to fix that mess .

rfuerst911sc 09-16-2023 06:12 AM

WOW !!!! Quite the Q2 session . Should be an interesting fight for pole .

Rtrorkt 09-16-2023 07:12 AM

VER out of top 10. And facing sanctions for impeding cars behind. And he was a whiner

rfuerst911sc 09-16-2023 09:12 AM

Liam showing he belongs . Yuki I am sure is looking over his shoulder. And Haas with both cars in top 10 ? What ???

yellowperil 09-16-2023 09:19 AM

Like to see Kmag get a podium, or Hulk

astrochex 09-16-2023 09:39 AM

Promises to be a more interesting than usual race.

I unabashedly support a #16 victory.

oldE 09-16-2023 09:57 AM

Interesting quali. Both Haas and Ferrari turn on their tires very quickly but also take the best out of them sooner than other teams. With Max being so far out of position I am going out on a limb and predicting George for the win.

Best
Les

GH85Carrera 09-16-2023 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 12090803)
Liam showing he belongs . Yuki I am sure is looking over his shoulder. And Haas with both cars in top 10 ? What ???

Both Haas in, and both Red Bulls out of Q1. Who I wonder what the Odds in Vegas were for that bet.

yellowperil 09-16-2023 11:41 AM

Although I'd be happy to see a new winner in Singapore, I wouldn't count Max out just yet. They'll be planning the crap out of this, looking for a break.

rfuerst911sc 09-16-2023 01:08 PM

Any chance Hulk gets a podium ?

astrochex 09-16-2023 01:56 PM

This is really cool, https://twitter.com/Formuladdict/status/1703148983902748683?t=0A98zUcJatLUwnz-dGLyRA&s=19

Zeke 09-16-2023 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by astrochex (Post 12090943)

That was.

Noah930 09-16-2023 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 12090923)
Any chance Hulk gets a podium ?

No. He’ll drop like a rock through the order. Unless there’s a shunt that takes out about 5 cars, he won’t even finish in the points. It’s not him; it’s the car.

WSH 09-16-2023 05:20 PM

And the Brits had not a word to say about Hamilton getting beat by his teammate, both Ferrari's and a Mclaren.

rfuerst911sc 09-17-2023 05:56 AM

Red Bull had a bad weekend and both cars score points . That's how you win championships . Russell made another mistake under pressure . K Mag gets a point for Haas . Lawson gets his first points in F1 . Was a pretty good race to watch .

stealthn 09-17-2023 05:59 AM

FINALLY! A real race to enjoy to the end. Well done to the top 3

yellowperil 09-17-2023 06:56 AM

A good race indeed. At first I thought Ham had touched Russel into the wall on last lap,
but glad to see it wasn't so.

Ham has scratched his way into 3rd in the standings, pretty good for an old guy.

rfuerst911sc 09-17-2023 08:30 AM

Any thoughts on why Yuki parked his car ? Comments from the talking heads said he had a flat tire . Why not limp to the pits , change tires/strategy and go back out .

If nothing else you get feedback/data . At best maybe you get points . I don't get it .

URY914 09-17-2023 04:36 PM

The best 10 laps of the entire year.

Reg 09-17-2023 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellowperil (Post 12091179)
A good race indeed. At first I thought Ham had touched Russel into the wall on last lap,
but glad to see it wasn't so.

Ham has scratched his way into 3rd in the standings, pretty good for an old guy.

I think it’s getting to his head. The latest two teammates have turned up the wick.

David Inc. 09-17-2023 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 12091234)
Any thoughts on why Yuki parked his car ? Comments from the talking heads said he had a flat tire . Why not limp to the pits , change tires/strategy and go back out .

If nothing else you get feedback/data . At best maybe you get points . I don't get it .

A bunch of carbon fiber blew off his car when Perez hit him, maybe something damaged inside that was leaking? Haven't heard anything more on it.

red 928 09-17-2023 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 12091535)
The best 10 laps of the entire year.

Preceded by 50 formation laps.

If F1 wants to survive, they need to figure out
a tire plan to eliminate slow procession drives to save
the tires.
It is boring and it isn't racing.

917_Langheck 09-17-2023 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red 928 (Post 12091663)
Preceded by 50 formation laps.

If F1 wants to survive, they need to figure out
a tire plan to eliminate slow procession drives to save
the tires.
It is boring and it isn't racing.

Kudos to Ferrari for finally getting the big strategy right, huge kudos to Carlos for a Prost/Schumacher/Alonzo-esque finale. But yes, WEC 24 hours races are 24 hour sprints from the off, and F1, with this tire regime has been 2 hour endurance races. Not the best look for the supposed pinnacle of motorsport.

Solution? Make the tires hard compound and difficult to keep up to temp if you're not pushing.

GH85Carrera 09-18-2023 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red 928 (Post 12091663)
Preceded by 50 formation laps.

If F1 wants to survive, they need to figure out
a tire plan to eliminate slow procession drives to save
the tires.
It is boring and it isn't racing.

I understand the economics of the F1 owners, they want the many races, but that track sucks. It is so hot that close to the equator they have to run at night. I guess the green initiative will tell us the lights are all solar powered. When there has never once had a race with no safety car, it needs to be canceled.

Monaco is acceptable only because of the history, and the grand location, and it still sucks as a race.

matthewb0051 09-18-2023 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WSH (Post 12091018)
And the Brits had not a word to say about Hamilton getting beat by his teammate, both Ferrari's and a Mclaren.

On social media today they are all pondering why MB didn't swap positions. Could it be because George qualified higher and was in a higher position the entire race???

I'm still gonna say F1 needs to close the pits during SC and VSC. MB would have finished a bit further down the field but for the free pit stop. Regardless of the team, holding out until their is SC or VSC isn't a strategy.

Anyone else not digging Singapore track anymore? It was pretty boring until the end and all the announcers could talk about was how every year there is a SC and that will be the change factor in the race.

URY914 09-18-2023 12:37 PM

It sure must have been hot during the race- BECAUSE THAT'S ALL EVERYBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT! :rolleyes:

rfuerst911sc 09-23-2023 04:38 AM

So much for being off the pace . What a qually lap ! Wow

astrochex 09-23-2023 11:04 AM

Yup. There’s hope then there is false hope. RB should clinch the manufacturers championship tomorrow.

Love the Japanese crowd, very passionate fans.


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