Biometric Pistol

[jyl]

https://youtu.be/2cRm9BMxl90

Forgotten Weapons video on the Biofire smart home defense pistol.

Watch with an open mind, remembering its meant for a very specific and limited target market and use case. Basically, you want a bedside pistol ready for instant use, but your bedside is accessible to children, their friends, housemates, etc who you cannot 100% trust, so the gun has to work for only you and perhaps your spouse.

You’ll get all the details in the video, but
- Fingerprint sensor and facial recognition, operating redundantly (either one suffices), including in the dark, left handed version available.
- Grip sensors keep the gun active if you take your finger off the sensor or the camera loses sight of your face (reload, cycle action, etc) but deactivate it if you cease gripping the gun (put it down, have it taken away from you, etc)
- Can register multiple authorized users, and remove them.
- 9 mm, 15 round
- Action type unclear from the video (not a tilting barrel)

For a reason that I won’t go into, I can no longer have guns in my house, with the exception of my 22 target pistol that has to stay in a locked case in the garage, and isn’t going to be much use if something bad happens. This gun might fill the need. Looking forward to its release and then real world feedback.

I can think of a few other use cases. Police, prison guards, car gun, etc.

Obviously some gun control implications, but with Bruen they are out the window anyway.

[sc_rufctr]

Yep... Saw this yesterday. Very cool tech but it must work 100%.

- Fast forward 5 years and the system will be fully developed and proven.

The electronic trigger sounds very interesting. I also like the the design of the whole system.
(How long does the battery last between charges?)

[Bill Douglas]

Trouble is, in the middle of the night when I've been asleep for a couple of hours I look like a completely different person (aging homeless vagrant) and the gun probably wouldn't recognise me and work when I wanted it to.

[sc_rufctr]

Bill... It's an either/or authentication system. Finger print or Facial recognition.

[Bill Douglas]

Umm, I'm still suspicious of it.

Being an ex computer tech I call unnecessary technology "Introducing points of failure."

I was trying to open my cellphone the other day via finger print recognition and it failed me because I had grubby fingers from working on a car

[jyl]

I don’t know the battery life, but the gun will normally be in its charging dock from which it can be drawn immediately.

I think the key thing is that this gun isn’t intended to be a field weapon, operated in mud or rain, with gloves or bloody hands, wearing goggles or face mask, carried on a belt, spend weeks away from its dock, etc. The designers have specified a pretty narrow use case.

I’m going to preorder one, and then test it very thoroughly when I get it.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas

Umm, I'm still suspicious of it.

Being an ex computer tech I call unnecessary technology "Introducing points of failure."

Yes. When you NEED a gun it's a life/death kind of thing likely in high stress. I would want to minimize the possibility of a tech failure in that instance. It would be bad enough to have to deal with a FTF, stovepipe, etc... on an ordinary spoon. But having those to worry about AND the authentication tech being an issue is too much for something that's needed in what I would assume would be extreme emergencies.

[GH85Carrera]

Yea, my old revolver is the original point and click device, no thinking to worry about. As with every single digital device, it will require batteries. After sitting in place for two years will it be ready to fire without a complicated startup routine?

No for a cop to go on patrol, no problem to be sure the batteries are charged and ready, and the officer is trained to use that gun as needed under stress. No perp can shoot the officer with his own gun.

[masraum]

I've ready several places about using biometric spoon safes. Lots of "if you're stressed will you be able to get the thing open?" and I think that's a valid question.
Having something similar required to use a spoon would potentially be similar. And that's not even talking about malfunctions.

Many years ago, I was working the cash register at a FLAPS when I guy came in to rob the place. It didn't really "click" for me at first, and the adrenalin didn't really kick in until after the guy was gone. But when it finally did click that the guy had a gun and wanted the cash. It took me about 3-5 times to get the register open. Normally, you'd hit < no sale > to open the drawer without ringing something up. But I'd started ringing a customer up, so to open the drawer once a sale had been started < no sale > wouldn't work. You had to hit < cash tendered >. I'd probably opened that drawer or other drawers like it 5000-10000 times, but after about the 3rd time hitting < no sale > I had to stop and think for a split-second about why that wasn't working.

something biometric may be easier, but at the same time, I know that the various phones/devices that I've had that had either fingerprint or face recognition have all been finicky at times.

If you are certain that you are going to be completely calm under that stress/pressure, then you're golden. But I don't think most folks in that situation are going to be.

[flipper35]

How many people can it be registered to? I would want my whole family to have access in case I am not home.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by jyl

I think the key thing is that this gun isn’t intended to be a field weapon, operated in mud or rain, with gloves or bloody hands, wearing goggles or face mask, carried on a belt, spend weeks away from its dock, etc. The designers have specified a pretty narrow use case.

Unfortunately, Biden or Trudeau will demand that this type of gun is the only thing that a citizen is "allowed" to own (for your own good of course).

Originally Posted by masraum

I've ready several places about using biometric spoon safes. Lots of "if you're stressed will you be able to get the thing open?" and I think that's a valid question.
Having something similar required to use a spoon would potentially be similar. And that's not even talking about malfunctions.

I was thinking the same thing. When I was looking for a small safe for the nightstand, every one had bad review from buyers saying it usually wouldn't work on the first try and in some cases they had to keep reprogramming it.

I have read so many heated discussions about a gun with or without a safety. One of the concerns is "fine motor skills" are going to be trashed under high pressure but now, you have to get the fingerprint in just the right spot for it to shoot and if you are off, you are now totally vulnerable.

Its a nice idea but I don't trust anti gun politicians wanting to mandate this idea and,I am skeptical as to reliability so its a hard no for me.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

Unfortunately, Biden or Trudeau will demand that this type of gun is the only thing that a citizen is "allowed" to own (for your own good of course).

And it'll have to be GPS trackable and able to be remotely disabled.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by masraum

And it'll have to be GPS trackable and able to be remotely disabled.

I'm sure these two features are being developed right now.

[jyl]

Originally Posted by flipper35

How many people can it be registered to? I would want my whole family to have access in case I am not home.

Up to five, I think.

But if your household is one in which you want everyone there to be able to use the gun, then perhaps a regular gun would be the choice.

[jyl]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

Unfortunately, Biden or Trudeau will demand that this type of gun is the only thing that a citizen is "allowed" to own (for your own good of course).

I was thinking the same thing. When I was looking for a small safe for the nightstand, every one had bad review from buyers saying it usually wouldn't work on the first try and in some cases they had to keep reprogramming it.

I have read so many heated discussions about a gun with or without a safety. One of the concerns is "fine motor skills" are going to be trashed under high pressure but now, you have to get the fingerprint in just the right spot for it to shoot and if you are off, you are now totally vulnerable.

Its a nice idea but I don't trust anti gun politicians wanting to mandate this idea and,I am skeptical as to reliability so its a hard no for me.

The gun activates if it registers your fingerprint OR the rear of the gun sees your face. Once activated, it stays active as long as you are gripping it.

I’ll be interested to test it out.

With the Bruen case, anti-gun politicians can’t even legislate to keep guns away from felons or persons under a domestic violence restraining order. They certainly won’t be able to mandate biometrics.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by jyl

With the Bruen case, anti-gun politicians can’t even legislate to keep guns away from felons or persons under a domestic violence restraining order. They certainly won’t be able to mandate biometrics.

But they sure can make it Hell to try to carry one. Just ask folks in NYC, NJ, and Kalifornia how easy it is to carry concealed.

Everyone who has had a real life experience with biometrics says it is hit and miss. I'm not OK with trying a 2nd or 3rd time to get my gun to fire. In many cases, you become exposed when you go to take a clear shot

[LEAKYSEALS951]

Originally Posted by masraum

Many years ago, I was working the cash register at a FLAPS when I guy came in to rob the place. It didn't really "click" for me at first, and the adrenalin didn't really kick in until after the guy was gone. But when it finally did click that the guy had a gun and wanted the cash. It took me about 3-5 times to get the register open. Normally, you'd hit < no sale > to open the drawer without ringing something up. But I'd started ringing a customer up, so to open the drawer once a sale had been started < no sale > wouldn't work. You had to hit < cash tendered >. I'd probably opened that drawer or other drawers like it 5000-10000 times, but after about the 3rd time hitting < no sale > I had to stop and think for a split-second about why that wasn't working.

Did you offer them a ****load of seafoam?

That's a crazy story. Glad all worked out ok.

[Rick Lee]

Not no, but hell no. I don't trust batteries around guns. I have had failures before and it ruined my day at the range. And I can live with that. Can't live with a home defense gun not working when I need it. I have a new slide from SIG coming next week so I can ditch the red dot optic I had to go with because the old slide had an MOS plate and couldn't take anything but SIG's lame night sights. The new one will get Trijicons and they will glow nice and bright for 10 yrs. I have a red dot on one of my ARs, but I also have it co-witnessed with the BUIS, which I can always rely upon. Given how many times I've had to try to open my car doors or reset my tire pressure sensor monitors based on current RFID tech, just hell no.

[Jeff Higgins]

How often does the fingerprint recognition on your cell phone fail to recognize you? How often does it take multiple attempts to open your phone? And that's with clean, dry hands. Mine won't work at all right after I get out of the shower, I have to wait for that clammy, wet skin to completely dry out. A towel won't do it.

Does anyone else remember an incident several years ago wherein some proponent of these smart guns, or smart safes, or something along these lines was giving a live demonstration at a press conference, or a convention of some sort? He was absolutely unable to either make the gun function, or to open the safe, or make whatever it was he was demonstrating function? My memory is pretty foggy on this. Anyone else remember?

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

How often does the fingerprint recognition on your cell phone fail to recognize you? How often does it take multiple attempts to open your phone? And that's with clean, dry hands. Mine won't work at all right after I get out of the shower, I have to wait for that clammy, wet skin to completely dry out. A towel won't do it.

Does anyone else remember an incident several years ago wherein some proponent of these smart guns, or smart safes, or something along these lines was giving a live demonstration at a press conference, or a convention of some sort? He was absolutely unable to either make the gun function, or to open the safe, or make whatever it was he was demonstrating function? My memory is pretty foggy on this. Anyone else remember?

That was the very anti-gun governor of MD, Parris Glendening, a total fool in every way.