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island911 05-19-2023 08:12 PM

Being a "kid" in the 80's I thought the 60's would be the last of the big power cars. Clearly I was really wrong about that, Now even SUV's can run the quarter mile under 12 seconds. And yet the biggest death threat to young adults is fentanyl.

zakthor 05-20-2023 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 12003749)
Being a "kid" in the 80's I thought the 60's would be the last of the big power cars. Clearly I was really wrong about that, Now even SUV's can run the quarter mile under 12 seconds. And yet the biggest death threat to young adults is fentanyl.

Uh… no? Where did you hear that?

it is still car accidents by a long shot.

Tobra 05-20-2023 07:52 AM

Wing car with a hemi, depending on the gearing, would be faster than you want to go on most tires now, can't even imagine that in olden days tires

ZFR-750, yeah

Had the Integra to an indicated 130 middle of nowhere to Midland, lot of straight slabs of concrete out there, you could probably land ALL the B-52s at the same time on it.

Now that I think of it, had the 914 up to 100, when I put the new brakes and tires in it, solid, quieter than I expected, targa top on, had plenty left

ckcarr 05-20-2023 07:55 AM

Not sure I believe the speed.
Mistakes happen.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-...-t55JWCt-L.jpg

fastfredracing 05-20-2023 08:48 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1684601016.jpg

Jeff Higgins 05-20-2023 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 12003975)
Wing car with a hemi, depending on the gearing, would be faster than you want to go on most tires now, can't even imagine that in olden days tires

ZFR-750, yeah

Had the Integra to an indicated 130 middle of nowhere to Midland, lot of straight slabs of concrete out there, you could probably land ALL the B-52s at the same time on it.

Now that I think of it, had the 914 up to 100, when I put the new brakes and tires in it, solid, quieter than I expected, targa top on, had plenty left

This was just about when the BFG Radial T/A had been introduced. Boy, that tire was such a huge leap ahead of the bias plies that those cars were fitted with new. We were all running them in the late '70's and early '80's including, thankfully, my friend with his hemi Super Birds. Yup, that's right - plural. Matching cars, one four speed, one automatic. This was in the four speed car. 2.73 rear end hears. I've often thought, in the intervening 40 some years, that I should do the math. Then I think better of it...

Seahawk 05-20-2023 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 12003325)
Yeah like no teenagers ever drove like idiots before video games. :rolleyes:

I didn't need them, into my 40's.:cool:

That said, and as been mentioned, at that speed tires become the life line, the difference between a bunch of "stuff" and a tree necklace.

178mph has nothing to do with perception(s) for amateurs, at that speed it is all about the physics. The fastest I have ever gone, as the saying goes, is 70mph down hill in a 62 VW Beetle.

zakthor 05-20-2023 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 12004130)
I didn't need them, into my 40's.:cool:

That said, and as been mentioned, at that speed tires become the life line, the difference between a bunch of "stuff" and a tree necklace.

178mph has nothing to do with perception(s) for amateurs, at that speed it is all about the physics. The fastest I have ever gone, as the saying goes, is 70mph down hill in a 62 VW Beetle.

For me it was 30 mph on a skateboard on a bumpy concrete sidewalk. Too fast to jump off- just gotta make it to the bottom of the hill.

Seahawk 05-20-2023 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by zakthor (Post 12004147)
For me it was 30 mph on a skateboard on a bumpy concrete sidewalk. Too fast to jump off- just gotta make it to the bottom of the hill.

All speed is relative. But, damn, 30 on a skateboard is a hill I could not climb.

When I was an Ensign I "stashed" at an A-6 squadron in NAS Oceana. I got to fly in a bunch of different aircraft: 30K in an A-4 is just like 30k in an airliner until the merge.

170kts in a 53E 10 feet off the desert floor is more [sic] better.

Steve Carlton 05-20-2023 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by zakthor (Post 12004147)
For me it was 30 mph on a skateboard on a bumpy concrete sidewalk. Too fast to jump off- just gotta make it to the bottom of the hill.

I was clocked at 35 mph on the straight stretch down the hill heading to the Claremont Hotel in Berkeley. I thought for sure I'd come off the board and get some road rash, but made it. Scared the hell out of me.

GH85Carrera 05-20-2023 01:08 PM

I live about a mile from a straight stretch of I-44. It has a easy on-ramp and two miles of dead straight road. Today I was in my garage doing an oil change on the El Camino. On several occasions I heard various motorcycles screaming through the gears like a F1 car. They all had to be hitting crazy speeds. At least a dozen different ones just screaming along.

They were some loud donor cycles with crazy drivers.

Zeke 05-20-2023 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 12003715)
It's part that and the other part, a big part, is physiology.

Metabolism affects how all living things perceive time.

The higher the metabolism the slower the world appears to move.

All mammals have roughly the same number of heartbeats in a lifetime, ~1 Billion

Meaning a field mouse which has a calendar life span of roughly a year experiences about 75 years of equivalent human life in that one year.

Younger people have higher metabolisms than adults or old farts like us.

The world moves slower for them them than it does for us which is why our reaction times seem to get worse as we age, everything is moving just a bit faster for us.

That field mouse is hard to catch because to it we look like we are moving in slow motion.

So 150 in a car is a different perceived experience for younger people.

I'm not 100% sure on that, Professor.

stomachmonkey 05-20-2023 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 12004336)
I'm not 100% sure on that, Professor.

The rate at which time is perceived varies across animals. For example, flies owe their skill at avoiding rolled up newspapers to their ability to observe motion on finer timescales than our own eyes can achieve, allowing them to avoid the newspaper in a similar fashion to the "bullet time" sequence in the popular film The Matrix. In contrast, one species of tiger beetle runs faster than its eyes can keep up, essentially becoming blind and requiring it to stop periodically to re-evaluate its prey's position. Even in humans, athletes in various sports have also been shown to quicken their eyes' ability to track moving balls during games.

The study which was just published in the international journal Animal Behaviour, showed that small-bodied animals with fast metabolic rates, such as some birds, perceive more information in a unit of time, hence experiencing time more slowly than large bodied animals with slow metabolic rates, such as large turtles.


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/09/130916102006.htm

Geronimo '74 05-20-2023 11:02 PM

176, even faster than a targa…

KFC911 05-21-2023 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Geronimo '74 (Post 12004543)
176, even faster than a targa…

LOL ... mebbe it was "well set up" ... ya just never know :).

island911 05-21-2023 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by fastfredracing (Post 12004009)

LOL, Ouch! :D

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Originally Posted by zakthor (Post 12003951)
Uh… no? Where did you hear that?

it is still car accidents by a long shot.

You should check. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

2/3rds of poisoning deaths (33.7 /100k) are fentanyl.

Motor vehicle traffic deaths (13.7 /100k)

masraum 05-21-2023 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by zakthor (Post 12003951)
Uh… no? Where did you hear that?

it is still car accidents by a long shot.

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 12004635)
LOL, Ouch! :D


You should check. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

2/3rds of poisoning deaths (33.7 /100k) are fentanyl.

Motor vehicle traffic deaths (13.7 /100k)

According to this link: https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/deaths-by-demographics/deaths-by-age/data-details/#

motor vehicle trumps "poisoning" until 21. (you can hover over the chart to get numbers).

At 21 motor vehicle accidents account for 936 deaths, and poisoning accounts for 886 deaths.

At 22 the number change to 884 deaths for motor vehicle and 1102 for poisoning.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1684681457.jpg

island911 05-21-2023 07:09 AM

ooh, I like graphs. ^

So there is a sliver there where motor vehicle deaths are higher, just before poisoning kills it.

Thanks for the graph.

masraum 05-21-2023 07:37 AM

If you go by age group (15-24), the numbers change, because car wrecks get teens between 15-24, and poisoning only gets a 3 year run to make up for it. But even with that head start, the difference between automotive and poisoning is still <10% (7425 vs 6929)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1684683419.jpg

zakthor 05-21-2023 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 12004686)
If you go by age group (15-24), the numbers change, because car wrecks get teens between 15-24, and poisoning only gets a 3 year run to make up for it. But even with that head start, the difference between automotive and poisoning is still <10% (7425 vs 6929)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1684683419.jpg

I am corrected! I did a query on cdc website but was fixated on the stupid aged 'young adult drivers'. Didn't see the iceberg that starts dominating everything at age 23.

Says last year there were > 110k drug overdose deaths vs <40k car deaths. Thats shocking to me. What a horrible waste.

Thanks for the education. Glad I asked but wish I'd researched further.


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