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pmax 07-13-2023 01:26 PM

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pmax 07-16-2023 09:27 AM

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flatbutt 07-16-2023 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Carlton (Post 12042492)
Summer Sub Blow Out Sale.

We crush the competition....oh...wait

Robert Coats 07-16-2023 01:51 PM

Too soon?

https://i.imgur.com/NwoKH8T.jpg

varmint 07-16-2023 02:09 PM

i haven't been paying attention. was the a black box on the sub that could be recovered? seems that would answer most of these questions.

fisher22 07-16-2023 02:23 PM

I was going to provide info I’ve read online, but everything I’ve read so far about a black box seems to be that the world is still wondering if Titan had one. Based on everything else that was lacking (testing, solid comms, permits) they should just come out and admit they didn’t have a black box. Absolute Mickey Mouse show.

masraum 07-16-2023 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pmax (Post 12043726)

“I did a fair amount of due diligence, calling up people who had already been on OceanGate Expeditions, who are not part of the company, and asking them about their experiences.”

:eek: LOL! It sounds like he did his "due negligence" or maybe "due ignorance."

This reminds me of the story of Abraham Wald, the mathemetician from WWII and the shot-up military aircraft and survivorship bias.

berettafan 07-16-2023 04:03 PM

sounds like 'i never met anyone that was killed by smoking'

LEAKYSEALS951 07-16-2023 04:08 PM

It sunk. Crushed! For go$% sake, don't let this thread get to 1000! :)

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Noah930 07-16-2023 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 12045700)
“I did a fair amount of due diligence, calling up people who had already been on OceanGate Expeditions, who are not part of the company, and asking them about their experiences.”

:eek: LOL! It sounds like he did his "due negligence" or maybe "due ignorance."

Yeah, I got a chuckle out of that statement, too. Let me ask a bunch of customers who don't really have knowledge on building super deep sea submursibles about the safety of this experimental super deep sea submersible.

Bill Douglas 07-16-2023 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 12045700)
and asking them about their experiences.”

Him "Hi, it's me, did you have a good time?"

Them "Yes, had a lovely time, and the lunch afterwards was excellent."

masraum 07-16-2023 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noah930 (Post 12045783)
Yeah, I got a chuckle out of that statement, too. Let me ask a bunch of customers who don't really have knowledge on building super deep sea submursibles about the safety of this experimental super deep sea submersible.

Those are certainly the best folks to ask.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas (Post 12045786)
Him "Hi, it's me, did you have a good time?"

Them "Yes, had a lovely time, and the lunch afterwards was excellent."

...
"oh, by the way. Was there a catastrophic failure of the sub on your trip or did you make it back ok?"

I'm thinking he didn't call enough people or maybe he should have waited until after this most recent trip and called those folks.

pmax 07-16-2023 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 12041154)
they werent pushing any boundaries though.

its it well known and understood how to build submarines to visit the titanic. just because stockton rush didnt do it the right way, doesnt mean he was pushing boundaries.


if stockton rush wanted to push actual boundaries, he could have invented new ways to inspect carbon fiber structures to measure their strength. he could have invented new modeling techniques to understand and mathematically model the effects on composite materials. he could have had the sub properly tested and classed, and convinced the world that he was right.

he didnt.

he was a cheap moron selling 'innovation' to moron billionaires

and for people who were paying attention, he told on himself constantly. even oceangates marketing materials openly proclaim stuff that is telling on yourself.

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tdw28210 07-17-2023 05:33 AM

So there must be leftover Oceangate sub and support boat that are on the dry in Beaufort, North Carolina. Or someone is posting old pics and passing them off as new. Or??????

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1689600135.jpg

fisher22 07-17-2023 05:55 AM

^^^
I would think OceanGate wouldn’t really want another specimen available for inspection. If the photo is current and another sub exists, their problems just got worse.

pavulon 07-17-2023 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by varmint (Post 12045689)
i haven't been paying attention. was the a black box on the sub that could be recovered? seems that would answer most of these questions.

Still connected to the sub controller and all high scores remain intact.

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masraum 07-17-2023 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by pavulon (Post 12046021)
Still connected to the sub controller and all high scores remain intact.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1689603511.jpg

ROFLMAO!

Nice.

fisher22 07-17-2023 08:17 AM

^^^
We've been commenting on how ridiculous using the game controller is, but I honestly have more faith in a robust design in the hands of millions of users worldwide than OceanGate.

cockerpunk 07-17-2023 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fisher22 (Post 12046145)
^^^
We've been commenting on how ridiculous using the game controller is, but I honestly have more faith in a robust design in the hands of millions of users worldwide than OceanGate.

the game control is not even a real flaw in the design. the military and plenty of other organizations use them to control subs, drones, etc, and for good reason. they are designed with speed, comfort and reliability in mind, and well tested. plus most users are pretty familiar with them these days, so you save on training too.

there is nothing really funny about the game controller thing. all the insanity in the titan was the other ... stuff

Seahawk 07-17-2023 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 12046219)
there is nothing really funny about the game controller thing. all the insanity in the titan was the other ... stuff

I agree.

In the drone world game controllers are the standard for many, many reasons. I tried almost 20 years ago to make game controllers the standard for Navy UAS.

Once you get crushed by your eight year old playing a "game" (all drones are essentially first person shooter games) it begins to make sense.

We also did a lot of work with NATO on standardizing ground control station interfaces to enable game controllers.

Kids know and they don't look at the controller.


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