Concealed carry requirements in NJ

[flatbutt]

I'm in favor of training but dang.

https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/pdf/PTC_use_of_force_and_Qual.pdf

Appendix B
Permit to Carry Safe Handling and
Proficiency Qualification (HQC2-modified)
1. Familiarization Requirements for Each Participant.
a. Demonstrate the safe handling of weapon.
b. Demonstrate proper loading and unloading techniques.
c. Demonstrate the techniques of proper physical stance.
d. Demonstrate the techniques of good marksmanship.
2. Range - 25 yards.
3. Target - FBI type Q target, either paper or cardboard. Multiple targets may be
used at the discretion of the agency executive or supervising firearms instructor.
4. Course.
a. Total of 50 rounds per participant.
b. Double action is required for revolvers for all phases. Semi-automatics
are to be fired in the manner in which the individual weapon functions
normally and are to be decocked when changing positions or hands.
c. Reloading may take place at the discretion of the supervising firearms
instructor. Additionally, discretion may be used as to the number of
rounds with which the magazines are loaded to accomplish reloading
exercises during the course. Similarly, the sequence of rounds fired at a
given distance may be altered to accommodate a reloading exercise.
d. To achieve a passing score of 80%, the participant must place a minimum
of 40 shots within the border of the Q-target silhouette.
e. Physical or simulated barricades are recommended in Phase I and may
be used at the discretion of the certified firearms instructor during any
phase.
Phase I 25-Yard Line. Time: 30 seconds - stage 1, 25 seconds
stages 2 & 3 10 rounds.
Strong-side kneeling
Strong-side kneeling or standing
• On command, from a secured holstered position, assume the
strong-side kneeling or standing position, fire 4 rounds. (30
seconds)
---STOP TIME—
• Decock and remain behind cover with visual focus towards the
threat area.
• Reload if needed (revolvers will reload and index the cylinder)
• On command assume a kneeling or standing position and fire 3
rounds. (25 seconds)
---STOP TIME—
• Decock and remain behind cover with visual focus towards the
threat area. Reload if necessary
• On command fire 3 rounds, standing or kneeling (25
seconds)
---STOP TIME---
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon.
• Reload loading devices.
Phase II 15-Yard Line. Time: 5 seconds. 3 rounds.
Point shoulder position.
• On command, from a secured holster position, draw and fire 3
rounds in 5 seconds from a point shoulder position.
---STOP TIME---
• Reholster an uncocked weapon.
Phase III 15-Yard Line. Time: 25 seconds. 7 rounds.
Point shoulder position.
Strong-side kneeling position.
• On command, from a secured holster position, draw and fire 3
rounds from a point shoulder position.
• Assume a strong-side kneeling position. Reload with 4 rounds,
index if required, and fire 4 rounds from a strong-side kneeling
position.
---STOP TIME---
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon.
• Reload loading devices.
Phase IV 10-Yard Line. Ready Position.
Each drill, Time: 3 seconds. 2 rounds.
(Total 6 rounds).
• On command, draw weapon and assume a ready position, i.e.,
muzzle depressed below eye level.
• On command, bring weapon up to eye level and fire 2 rounds in 3
seconds. Repeat drill twice, firing a total of 6 rounds.
---STOP TIME---
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon.
• Reload loading devices.
Phase V 7-Yard Line. Time: 4 seconds. 3 rounds.
Standing point shoulder position.
• On command, from a secured holster position draw and fire 3
rounds in 4 seconds from a standing point shoulder position.
---STOP TIME---
• Reholster an uncocked weapon.
Phase VI 7-Yard Line. Time: 15 seconds. 6 rounds.
Standing point shoulder position. Mandatory reload/magazine
change
• On command, from a secured holster position, draw and fire 3
rounds from a standing point shoulder position.
• Reload and fire 3 more rounds within the 15 second time period.
---STOP TIME---
• Reholster an uncocked weapon.
Phase VII 7-Yard Line. Time: 4 seconds. 3 rounds.
Standing point shoulder position.
• On command, from a secured holster position, draw and fire 3
rounds in 4 seconds from a standing point shoulder position.
---STOP TIME---
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon.
• Reload loading devices.
Phase VIII 5-Yard Line. One-handed - Strong hand.
Each drill, Time: 4 seconds. 2 rounds.
(Total 4 rounds).
• On command, draw and fire 2 rounds using only the strong hand.
• Reholster an uncocked weapon
• Repeat once.
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon.
Phase IX 5-Yard Line. One-handed - Support hand.
Each drill, Time: 3 seconds. 2 rounds.
(Total 4 rounds).
• On command, draw and transfer the weapon to the support
hand. Assume a ready position.
• On command fire 2 rounds using only the support hand. Return
to ready (The strong arm should be limp along the body).
• Repeat once.
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon
Phase X 1-Yard Line (or as close to 1-yard line as safety dictates).
Weapon Retention Position. (Begin with the support hand across
the chest with the hand grasping the collar of the shooter’s shirt.)
Each drill, Time: 2 seconds. 2 rounds.
(Total 4 rounds).
• On command, draw and fire 2 rounds in 2 seconds from
the weapon retention position.
• Reholster an uncocked weapon.
• Repeat drill once, firing a total of 4 rounds.
• Clear all weapons. Holster a safe, empty weapo

[Rick Lee]

AZ is: be a state resident, legally able to own a gun. Oh, and no permit required to CCW. And if you're not an AZ resident, you can still CCW, AND you're not expected to know the local rules about where you can CCW. So you're exempt from the same laws I have to follow. What a country!

[flatbutt]

I'll never qualify given that my "strong" hand is so badly crippled that I can't do one handed firing. My off hand is ok with .22 but no way can I safely one hand a 9mm.

No Weaver stance either, I'm limited to "cup and saucer".

[The Synergizer]

They don’t want you to have it.

[Jim Bremner]

I'm well over 10k rounds


Paid for instructions from three trainers

Passed the NRA pistol trainers class

Shot in pistol comps

Rung steel at 75 yards and hit bowling pins at 100 yards

Hit steel at 700 yards with rifle
500 yards with open sites

Qualified for CCW in Californ

can put 20 rounds in an eighth inch target in 11 seconds


This will take some training to complete


I am more concerned about knowing the law to shoot/ no shoot than this level of live fire

[Rick Lee]

When I took my NV CCW class, it was more about knowing when you could shoot vs. not shoot rather than how you did on the range quals. IMHO, that's more important. My takeaway, after the instructor showed us real photos of gunshot death crime scenes, was, if you don't absolutely have to shoot, then don't. He was a LV Metro cop and had been there, done that. I believed him. Believe me, it's nothing like on tv or in the movies.

[john70t]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

When I took my NV CCW class, it was more about knowing when you could shoot vs. not shoot rather than how you did on the range quals.

Well..duh.

"Life is a harsh teacher. It gives the test first and the lesson after"
-Quote from somebody
-Because Bing Search only returned half a random page and no more.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

AZ is: be a state resident, legally able to own a gun. Oh, and no permit required to CCW. And if you're not an AZ resident, you can still CCW, AND you're not expected to know the local rules about where you can CCW. So you're exempt from the same laws I have to follow. What a country!

Same in Oklahoma. I do not need any government permission to exercise a constitutional right. I don't need a permit to speak freely, gather in groups of friends.

There are still places that teach the smart carrying common sense things, and safe and practices. It is possible to get a "license" and that is accepted in many other states and certainly a good thing to have if you want it, but not mandated.

[3rd_gear_Ted]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Same in Oklahoma. I do not need any government permission to exercise a constitutional right. I don't need a permit to speak freely, gather in groups of friends.

There are still places that teach the smart carrying common sense things, and safe and practices. It is possible to get a "license" and that is accepted in many other states and certainly a good thing to have if you want it, but not mandated.

In Oklahoma you can't get a CCW if you have a medical marijuana card.

[id10t]

Someone subject to this BS should look up what the requirements are to pass the firearms part of police training up there... I know I've seen our standards here in Florida and they are a joke compared to what most recreational shooters do...

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by 3rd_gear_Ted

In Oklahoma you can't get a CCW if you have a medical marijuana card.

Really?

Of course, the pot heads, and drunks don't even need a license to carry.

We have more "medical pot" stores than all but a few places in Oregon. They are on every block is seems. There were more, but the realities of business, and the laws of supply and demand hit a lot of them hard.

[wilnj]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Really?

Of course, the pot heads, and drunks don't even need a license to carry.

We have more "medical pot" stores than all but a few places in Oregon. They are on every block is seems. There were more, but the realities of business, and the laws of supply and demand hit a lot of them hard.

Yeah, I saw the TV show.


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[steveo12345]

Here in PA you just have to fill out the form. Usually in and out within 15 minutes. We have a very pro Second Amendment Sheriff in our county. I have heard that it is more complicated in other counties. State law is pretty clear but not always followed by elected officials.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by steveo12345

Here in PA you just have to fill out the form. Usually in and out within 15 minutes. We have a very pro Second Amendment Sheriff in our county. I have heard that it is more complicated in other counties. State law is pretty clear but not always followed by elected officials.

That's SOP here in jersey. Officially they are supposed to issue a purchase permit within 30 days. They never do.

[VINMAN]

Just another way of discouraging people from applying.

But yeah should have some training and ability to hit a target.

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[red-beard]

Those requirements look like they were cribbed from a police training course. Getting behind cover. Kneeling position. 80% hits at 25 yards?

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

I'm in favor of training but dang.

Phase I 25-Yard Line. Time: 30 seconds - stage 1, 25 seconds
stages 2 & 3 10 rounds.
Strong-side kneeling
Strong-side kneeling or standing
• On command, from a secured holstered position, assume the
strong-side kneeling or standing position, fire 4 rounds. (30
seconds)
---STOP TIME—
• Decock and remain behind cover with visual focus towards the
threat area.
• Reload if needed (revolvers will reload and index the cylinder)
• On command assume a kneeling or standing position and fire 3
rounds. (25 seconds)
---STOP TIME—
• Decock and remain behind cover with visual focus towards the
threat area. Reload if necessary
• On command fire 3 rounds, standing or kneeling (25
seconds)
---STOP TIME---
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon.
• Reload loading devices.
Phase II 15-Yard Line. Time: 5 seconds. 3 rounds.
Point shoulder position.
• On command, from a secured holster position, draw and fire 3
rounds in 5 seconds from a point shoulder position.
---STOP TIME---
• Reholster an uncocked weapon.
Phase III 15-Yard Line. Time: 25 seconds. 7 rounds.
Point shoulder position.
Strong-side kneeling position.
• On command, from a secured holster position, draw and fire 3
rounds from a point shoulder position.
• Assume a strong-side kneeling position. Reload with 4 rounds,
index if required, and fire 4 rounds from a strong-side kneeling
position.
---STOP TIME---
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon.
• Reload loading devices.
Phase IV 10-Yard Line. Ready Position.
Each drill, Time: 3 seconds. 2 rounds.
(Total 6 rounds).
• On command, draw weapon and assume a ready position, i.e.,
muzzle depressed below eye level.
• On command, bring weapon up to eye level and fire 2 rounds in 3
seconds. Repeat drill twice, firing a total of 6 rounds.
---STOP TIME---
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon.
• Reload loading devices.
Phase V 7-Yard Line. Time: 4 seconds. 3 rounds.
Standing point shoulder position.
• On command, from a secured holster position draw and fire 3
rounds in 4 seconds from a standing point shoulder position.
---STOP TIME---
• Reholster an uncocked weapon.
Phase VI 7-Yard Line. Time: 15 seconds. 6 rounds.
Standing point shoulder position. Mandatory reload/magazine
change
• On command, from a secured holster position, draw and fire 3
rounds from a standing point shoulder position.
• Reload and fire 3 more rounds within the 15 second time period.
---STOP TIME---
• Reholster an uncocked weapon.
Phase VII 7-Yard Line. Time: 4 seconds. 3 rounds.
Standing point shoulder position.
• On command, from a secured holster position, draw and fire 3
rounds in 4 seconds from a standing point shoulder position.
---STOP TIME---
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon.
• Reload loading devices.
Phase VIII 5-Yard Line. One-handed - Strong hand.
Each drill, Time: 4 seconds. 2 rounds.
(Total 4 rounds).
• On command, draw and fire 2 rounds using only the strong hand.
• Reholster an uncocked weapon
• Repeat once.
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon.
Phase IX 5-Yard Line. One-handed - Support hand.
Each drill, Time: 3 seconds. 2 rounds.
(Total 4 rounds).
• On command, draw and transfer the weapon to the support
hand. Assume a ready position.
• On command fire 2 rounds using only the support hand. Return
to ready (The strong arm should be limp along the body).
• Repeat once.
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon
Phase X 1-Yard Line (or as close to 1-yard line as safety dictates).
Weapon Retention Position. (Begin with the support hand across
the chest with the hand grasping the collar of the shooter’s shirt.)
Each drill, Time: 2 seconds. 2 rounds.
(Total 4 rounds).
• On command, draw and fire 2 rounds in 2 seconds from
the weapon retention position.
• Reholster an uncocked weapon.
• Repeat drill once, firing a total of 4 rounds.
• Clear all weapons. Holster a safe, empty weapo

Phase 11: hop on one foot and spit wooden nickels.
Phase 12: Realize that all this is mandated to discourage anyone other than people with marksman skills to ever be able to carry a weapon.
Phase 13: Vote for DIFFERENT POLITICIANS to get out the jerks that created phases 1-10!
Phase 14: MOVE out of state!

[gsxrken]

I've owned various handguns for more than 35 years... but tonight I have to attend the 2nd 4-hour course of the new 16-hour mandated class in NYS to maintain my license.
I have to pay someone $500 to hear that a gun should always be pointed in a safe direction and consists of a barrel, frame, and an action.



This thread could go to PARF in a NY minute, as there is only one party that pushes this nonsense.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by id10t

Someone subject to this BS should look up what the requirements are to pass the firearms part of police training up there... I know I've seen our standards here in Florida and they are a joke compared to what most recreational shooters do...

What percentage of NJ cops could pass the CCW permit requirements?

[masraum]

I think after passing the qualifications, that also automatically puts your into the local FBI office's marksman team. LOL!

I think the Texas shooting is 50 rounds. 20rds @ 3yds, 20rds @ 7yds, and 10rds @ 15yds. I don't think the requirements at any of those distances were very high. I don't think you had to do any shooting one handed. As a matter of fact, I would be surprised for anyplace to require that. I'd think that they'd prefer to promote 2 handed shooting.

Wow. When I got my license in TX, I think the "class" (including shooting) was either 8 or 10 hours (2 hours was reserved for shooting with the rest as a required minimum for the classroom training).
I think they eventually knocked it down to 4 hours. And now you don't have to have a license. Although, you can still get a license, and having a license does give you a little more permissions than not having one.