Originally Posted by bivenator (Post 12084658)

bro, on one hand you say that in a group of 70k not everone is having the same experience. Good point. Craigster says that a burn is similar to a dead show etc and you immediately dismiss it as incorrect.

Do you see the conflict in your statements?

You are a sparkle pony without the glitter.

Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 12084649)

its not. but that hasn't stopped anyone else from pontificating about it.

Originally Posted by Eric 951 (Post 12084688)

seems it is based upon the experiences of the "burners" to whom craigster spoke.

Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 12084703)

see, this is declarative of the experience of a burn.

my statement is still not.

this is junior high level logic guys. lets keep it together and not trainwreck another thread based on failure to understand junior high logic. i can say a million sentences about what something isnt ... and thats not the same as a single sentence saying what something is. this is why the no true Scotsman fallacy exists and is so commonly used, because there are infinite statements available as to what something isnt. there are only a limited number of statements of what something is.

Originally Posted by Eric 951 (Post 12084769)

to the ones to whom craigster spoke, it was their experience. nobody said or inferred it was yours.

simple junior high logic here.

Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 12084778)

craigster was describing the entire event based on that experience that and making conclusions based on that. he did not say "this was these people's experiences, others could have been different, so im not going to draw any conclusions except about these people's experiences" he said "this was so and sos experience, so the whole event was like that, so im going to draw conclusions based on that"

this is a really dumb line of argument, i can't believe you guys keep harping on it.

you guys *really* want to figure out a way to make burning man into a concert or musical performance ... and its just not. like sorry. no reason to get mad at me about it.

Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 12083595)

…snip…
thats just like, your opinion man. based on ... well ... nothing.

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 12084797)

There is an article by a columnist in the LA Times this morning written by an attendee. She seemed to describe a nice camping trip that ended up with some disappointment, but no real drama. Apparently the man didn't burn this year in spite of the rain stopping leaving one more day of the festival with a terrible mud problem

Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 12083998)

this kind of thing says far more about you, than it does about burning man, or people who attended. it says you think your totally unqualified opinion is worth sharing, and other people reading. and ... its just not. no one cares. but i guess you decided it was better to be seen in your digital forum as bashing hippies than be mistaken for one. :shrug:



all i have said is that a burn is a complex place where a lot of people are all having very different experiences. there are 70k people there, their experience cannot be summed up in a single word, or a single sentence or a single tiktok. a few social media posts by a couple of sparkle ponies who didnt know what they were getting into doesnt have any bearing on the 69,999 people who were there.

and anyone who thinks a single word or phrase can sum these things up ... is a moron. who not only lacks experience at burns, but also lacks basic life experience. as i said, even mountain climbers, and garden visitors take different things away from the experience, only a fool would think that almost any experience can be summed up in a single sentence or word or tikok. never mind something as complex as a burn.



the reason i used the term 'transformational experiences' is actually a well worded shot at sparkle ponies, again, something you might pick up on if you had even a basic understanding of what you are talking about. sparkle pony being another term you'd be familiar with if you were at all familiar with the event.

Originally Posted by Jeff Alton (Post 12086682)

ALL of you must know you can chose to add people to your IGNORE list who you feel have nothing to add that you wish to see...... :)


Cheers

Originally Posted by DonDavis (Post 12085144)

Tip o the cap to “The Dude”, I see. 🤣



No, Milt, you’re mistaken. The Man Burned Monday night because the people could not easily/safely GET to the Man on Saturday night.

The Temple burned on Tuesday night.

I attended The Burn in 2019 with a guy that has been deeply involved with it for nearly 20 years. I spoke to him on Wednesday and he said “As usual, it was fantastic. Sure, we got some rain, but nothing to complain about. Why? What did you hear?”

I told him, he laughed.

I’ll take his comments over someone’s online post/explanation/breakdown that’s meant for clicks.

And sure, my visit was a bit transformational, go back and read about my visit in the thread I started. It’s fairly thorough.

I’ve never once been to Sturgis…which means I’d never opine about that event.

I’m with CP on this. If anyone really wants to see what’s what, go and check it out.

If’n it ain’t for you, that’s cool. Just don’t siht on the whole thing. It’s not what the click-baiters say it is.

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 12087336)

Doesn't work.

Originally Posted by TimT (Post 12087359)