Clutch IMS $$ Question

[deanp]

I thought I'd get more responses here than on the Boxster forum.

We're selling our 2000 986 Boxster.

The car was built in March 2000, oil changes every 2 years regardless of miles (typically 3-5K for that period).

Always cut open and inspect the oil filter, never any signs of metal shavings, metal dust, debris, etc.

Our plan was to inspect/replace the IMS when it was time for a clutch. Clutch engagement is still normal.

The potential buyer got a quote from a shop just outside of Boston and is trying to use it to negotiate the price. I think the $10500 asking, with room for negotiation, is already fair in the current market. (2000 986 Boxster, 2.7, 5spd, 73xxx miles, cobalt blue, hardtop, 2 owner, clean, no winters, no salt, no bodywork, no stories)

Clutch Kit /Flywheel Parts:$1813
Clutch Labor: $1824
IMS Bearing: $949
IMA Labor: $912
Total $5503 + tax

The labor costs seem pretty high, especially the $912 in additional labor for the IMS on top of the $1824 in clutch kit labor. That's 13.68 hours if a shop rate of $200/hr is assumed.

What are your thoughts?

[911boost]

Find another buyer.

If it is running/shifting fine it doesn't need a clutch. The buyer is trying to knock down your price and then will just drive the car.

Next.

[deanp]

Originally Posted by 911boost

Find another buyer.

If it is running/shifting fine it doesn't need a clutch. The buyer is trying to knock down your price and then will just drive the car.

Next.

Finding the right buyer is the goal, the car has been well maintained and cared for and does not show any indication of issues with the clutch or IMS in feel, sound, or oil/filter analysis.

[recycled sixtie]

Yes I agree with 911boost to find another buyer. The 2000 986 had traditionally a better ims than my 2001. Yes I think your asking price is very fair. Having said that you did not mention how many miles on it. Even so the asking price is fair.

Patience is key. It took me a year to sell my 2013 Miata NC prht close to asking which I eventually got.

Cheers, Guy

[deanp]

Hi Guy - our asking is $10500 with 73012 miles, dropped from $13k since we are heading into winter here in MA.

Originally Posted by recycled sixtie

Yes I agree with 911boost to find another buyer. The 2000 986 had traditionally a better ims than my 2001. Yes I think your asking price is very fair. Having said that you did not mention how many miles on it. Even so the asking price is fair.

Patience is key. It took me a year to sell my 2013 Miata NC prht close to asking which I eventually got.

Cheers, Guy

[jrj3rd]

Your price is extremely fair in this market. If clutch is still good then it doesn't need a clutch.
I personally think the IMS bearing issue is over blown. That and lots of the bearing sellers are saying it is a regularly replacement item (think I even saw one saying every 30k miles) BS. Not on a %10K car.

[recycled sixtie]

Originally Posted by deanp

Hi Guy - our asking is $10500 with 73012 miles, dropped from $13k since we are heading into winter here in MA.

Still is reasonable price for that mileage. I think it depends on how badly you want to sell it.

[deanp]

We're motivated because we're moving, and the new location won't be good for the car (about 4-5 miles of gravel roads to get to pavement).

[Dixie]

Another vote for find another buyer. If the IMS is that big a concern, then the buyer should buy something completely different or have the work done on their dime.

BTW, could you post a pic of the car? Someone here may decide to buy it.

[deanp]

I appreciate the feedback so far, and I'm happy to see that all the responses so far reflect my feelings on the situation.

[deanp]

Happy to do so:



https://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/1148233-2000-porsche-boxster-986-sale-70010-miles-5spd-hardtop.html

Originally Posted by Capt. Carrera

BTW, could you post a pic of the car? Someone here may decide to buy it.

[cockerpunk]

i mean the quote seems more or less reasonable (a little high, but eh, its a quote).

there is no logic in arguing the price down because of it though.

[Zeke]

I have a 2000 FS in the FS section 63,000 miles, well maintained, also 2 owners, but we are 21 years as the 2nd owner. As you say, no stories. Similar price.

I'm having discussions about the IMS with a couple of shops and the price is right there for the clutch and IMS job.

My conclusion is I won't spend the money I won't get back. I have to wholeheartedly agree with those that said find another buyer. Problem with me is I don't even have any interest so negotiation is not an issue.

I will tell you there are a lot of Boxsters for sale, 2000 and on a couple more years newer that are not really appealing due to high mileage, shabby condition, too many mods, etc. And these cars are cheap. So they are dragging down the market for really nice cars like you and I have.

If you have to sell, then you will have to find that buyer soon or acquiesce to the interested party some. A bird in the hand....

Me, I don't care. I can keep it on the market until next summer. It only costs some insurance to have around and not be used much, if at all. So by next year I will be more firm than ever or even raise the price.

Myth or not, buyers that are aware are convinced that no IMS, they aren't in.

[Rot 911]

Not much to add that the previous posters have not mentioned. I would point out most of the IMS problems occurred on cars with less than 40,000 miles. At 73,000 miles, I would not even worry about it.

[deanp]

Thanks Milt! We're in agreement that it doesn't make sense to put in $ that we won't get back. The folks over at PCAR Marketplace contacted me to put it in an auction on their site, which is a similar setup to BAT, and we are considering that with a modest reserve.

[recycled sixtie]

It has a hardtop which is worth $1500 alone. It is manual transmission which is another plus. It looks well kept.