The SAT business has done well, the DoD/NSA has their back.
The SAT business is the only one to stay in SoCal, Boeing did everything they could to move them. They got relocated on paper twice during my career in SSG Facilities. All the engineers told them to pound sand, we aren't leaving and we'll just work for who takes your place on the contract.
BTW, before Hughes, those buildings had Nash Automobiles being built there.

I subscribed a while back to Youtubes "Mayday: Air Disaster"

Lots of very interesting flying problems. They reenact past problems and crashes.
Almost all of them are a series of mistakes...instead of just one. And the largest share are human mistakes from being distracted at their job.

Personal experience.
A source doesn't need to be quoted, because I am the very qualified source.
It was a difficult time and difficult to remember. My back and knees remind me every day.

A company:
1). Not organized. Didn't keep repair information on road-going heavy equipment. Didn't engage in overseeing operations,have proper tools for common tasks, make corrections, or double check major work by overloaded apprentices.

2). Didn't distribute workload. Most were union slackers. Personal favoritism was the culture. Personal attributes not work attributes.

3). Not only allowed but promoted a hostile and rushed workplace environment from the very top of regional management. I happened to be a minority employee in that environment. Switch out the players and the situation is still wrong. I was showing old journeymen how to fix the same stuff they worked on for decades because of a lack of company training.

4). Supervisors without experience actually instructed employees to make incorrect repairs, or ignore them to save themselves parts money and shift the operational expenses to another region.

5). I'll add it was a trifecta of legal tort against this straight white male: Racial, sexual, institutional.
Then there were problems with the union and my employment lawyer but I'll stop there.
It was clear this was systemic. How would anyone justify this environment?

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A Boeing 787 has a “technical problem”, leading to a sudden drop in altitude. Passengers and crew hurt. What kind of technical problem would cause a sudden drop in altitude if it wasn’t turbulence? Did the pilot bump the joystick by accident?



https://abcnews.go.com/International/latam-plane-technical-problem-flight-leading-strong-movement/story?id=108000647

Something a bit weird happened for it to drop faster than gravity. People were getting smashed through the ceiling panels. About 50 people hurt.

An airline captain friend said always wear the seatbelt.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/key-boeing-whistleblower-found-dead-apparent-suicide

He said in some cases, sub-standard parts had even been removed from scrap bins and fitted to planes that were being built to prevent delays on the production line.

He also claimed that tests on emergency oxygen systems due to be fitted to the 787 showed a failure rate of 25%, meaning that one in four could fail to deploy in a real-life emergency.

The pilot said he lost all instrumentation and ability to fly the plane. That’s a pretty scary technical problem!

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/fifty-injured-after-pilot-lost-instrumentation-on-latam-flight-from-sydney-to-auckland/news-story/e713c49fd1332b06950d802d57cecb35

Ok, I will admit I'm no pilot, I don't work for an airline etc etc. I do, however, fly a LOT.

And it sure seems to me that Boeing can't get a break right now. And IDK how many aircraft they have up in the air on a given day, but it must be many thousands. And things like this are just inevitable.

Further, how many Boeing aircraft have actually crashed recently?

And of those crashes (if any), in how many of those were pilots or ground crews at fault?

Sure - Boeing may have some systemic issues to deal with, and maybe they aren't the same company they used to be (which isn't unique in this day and age), but the press have sunk their teeth in and won't let go. They are acting as if all of this is related and a somewhat new phenomenon. And my personal opinion is that their are many in the media who are connecting mostly unrelated dots, that they have taken aim at a great company - that does a lot of good for this world - and would like to see it fail. It's what they do to all great institutions...

My $.02 anyways...

The only recent Boeing crashes I'm aware of are the two 737 Max crashes, which I think are clearly Boeing's fault. Aside from that, I think it's an awesome company that needs to get back its old mojo. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem like it'll be an easy task.

He lost the ability to fly the plane. OK, if he had passed out and the co-pilot was in the head, no one is controlling the plane. And it was on autopilot. So what is the default in a failure like that? It would seem to me that the controls should be frozen in the current position, not move enough on their own, with no power, for the plane to take a sudden dive.

Something is wrong with the way the electronics are designed and built. If you're on a tractor with a loader and the engine quits, does the bucket just drop to the ground from a lifted position? Hell no.

I am flying to Korea in a month and all of this stuff has me a bit worried. [emoji51]

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(per ZH link) :
As James Lavish pointed out on Twitter, the company has been awash with controversy since the beginning of the year, including the following separate incidents:

Passenger door blown out, mid-air
cockpit window cracked, take-off
oxygen leak, pre-flight (Blinken incident)
passenger notices bolts missing on wing, pre-flight
lost wheel during take-off, wobbled off
lost wheel after take-off, mid-air
plane arrived with cargo door open
landing gear malfunction
engine failure mid-flight
engine fire, mid-flight

Did the usual suspects short Boeing stock?

My question would be, how many of these can be attributed to Boeing's manufacturing process vs. airline maintenance problems?

My dad was an Air Force pilot. He often flew commercial for some trips the Air Force sent him on. He ALWAYS kept his seat belt on, unless he was going to the bathroom. He said on two occasions he was just reading, and the sudden severe turbulence caused the stewardesses to bounce off the ceiling, hit the floor, smash into the seats, with the drinks cart bouncing around as well. He was belted in, and lucky enough to no have a person or cart land on him.

I learned from him to keep my seat belt on when in my seat, always when in an aircraft.

I prefer 'Lemon Scented Joy' over Dawn. :D

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/hotel-keycards-and-dawn-dish-soap-used-in-737-max-production-as-boeing-fails-33-faa-safety-checks/ar-BB1jL0bu

Watch the John Oliver piece on Boeing (youtube). It's pretty scary... employees are saying "nah I would not fly on that" - Seems like it's more than Mojo and the degree of "self checking" the got away with is unreal.. The FAA should be embarrassed. . It's been crap quality control since the merger with McDonnell douglas and all about stock price.

This one, to me, crosses the line over into "sensationalist reporting". Someone who has no idea what they are talking about found out they use Dawn dish soap to lubricate rubber seals for installation. And then - oh my God!!! - they used "wet cheesecloth" to clean up the residue!!! Horror of horrors!!!

Anyone who has ever installed a rubber seal in or on anything, or has spooned a tire onto a rim, has probably use something similar. Windex is popular, dish soap, you name it. It all cleans up with water. None of it does any harm to the materials on which it is applied.

All the best to Kim.

I read that. You are spot on about the reporting. No mention that the soap was one of the violations. So the soap method was glorified so as to mean that is a hack way to install seals.

Actually I can't think of a better way to install a Porsche windshield or a bicycle handlebar grip.

Furthermore, I have used dollar bills, matchbook covers and CC's to check door weatherstipping and indeed, door binding points. Since they are blind when the door is closed, if the bill won't slip out you found your spot.

(BTW, modeling clay works very well too finding too close of a gap. It's kinda like using Plastigauge when putting a motor together to check bearing tolerances.)