F1 2024

[Captain Ahab Jr]

Albon disqualified for illegal floor, what a shame for Williams

[rfuerst911sc]

Originally Posted by Captain Ahab Jr

Albon disqualified for illegal floor, what a shame for Williams

Here is one of the articles , someone has to answer how multiple internal scans missed the violation .

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/williams-investigating-scans-floor-legal/10647564/

[Captain Ahab Jr]

With FIA car shape rules you push the limits to the max

If it is a trimmed/machined edge of a carbon part like the floor the limits to the FIA rules is much tighter than say moulded surfaces as it's easy to shave a smidge off at the track before running by sanding away 1mm etc

Reading what James has said, team did scans with floor off the car and on the car both at the factory and Thurs. at the track. Sounds to me like they did the right level of inspection as just not enough time to scan the car before every track running

Just guessing but I'm thinking the problem will be a combination of how precisely the floor is located on the car ie stack up of tolerances and maybe the 1st few on track heat cycles from the engine caused the moulded floor shape to distort slightly

[rfuerst911sc]

^^^ Captain thanks for the insight .

[rfuerst911sc]

Captain a question- did Williams have to correct the issue to be allowed to race ? And would they have " sanded " dimensions into compliance ?

[Captain Ahab Jr]

Would have thought so, or they risk disqualification

At a guess they would have sanded or just rebolted everything up into the correct position checking with the teams own 3D scanner

My approach and every other F1 engineers approach to car shape legality is the car only needs to pass all the FIA inspections, stiffness test, crash safety tests but the cars shape can morph on track if it gives extra performance advantage

I'm sure eventually the FIA will find/create accurate 3D scanning technology to measure cars shape on track while under aero loads to close this loophole

[rfuerst911sc]

Isn't the teams 3D scanner the same that said it was legal ?

[Rtrorkt]

20 second win, biggest margin in quite a while. Way to go Landon

[rfuerst911sc]

I would imagine Red Bull are working hard to find more speed . In the past Max was always easy on tires . At least at this track his tires seemed to go off early . Lando needs to work on his starts , Max smoked him off the line . Maybe it's a software issue .

[Captain Ahab Jr]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

Isn't the teams 3D scanner the same that said it was legal ?

Yes, which is what made me think it's an assembly tolerance issue rather than an issue with the floor component

This explains the FIA process

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-explains-laser-scanning-system-for-f1-scrutineering/9074990/

Previous FIA legality checking flat patch was slightly raised off the garage floor so was always referred to as 'The Bridge of Doom'

[URY914]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

Lando needs to work on his starts , Max smoked him off the line . Maybe it's a software issue .

[astrochex]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

I would imagine Red Bull are working hard to find more speed . In the past Max was always easy on tires . At least at this track his tires seemed to go off early . Lando needs to work on his starts , Max smoked him off the line . Maybe it's a software issue .

The response time was identical, 0.28s, for both front row drivers. But Verstappen went straight while Norris crossed to the right.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by astrochex

The response time was identical, 0.28s, for both front row drivers. But Verstappen went straight while Norris crossed to the right.

And he had wheel spin. Max just took off.

[917_Langheck]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

I would imagine Red Bull are working hard to find more speed . In the past Max was always easy on tires . At least at this track his tires seemed to go off early . Lando needs to work on his starts , Max smoked him off the line . Maybe it's a software issue .

RB tyre issue is due to two reasons - the car is designed to run in clean air, thus easier to drive smoothly saving tyres; all cars running in dirty air suffer greater tyre wear, that is why they don't run nose to tail unless the driver behind knows he can send the pass.

Electronic - software - starts are not permitted. As Ant explained in post-race the clutch is set at an initial point for the grid start and at lights out the slip is managed with the left lever set on the back of the steering wheel.

You can hear the car shudder under wheel spin Lando induced.

[stealthn]

Although not a fan of the banked track, it sure made for more passing which I like. Good race for McLaren, and Charles!

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by stealthn

Although not a fan of the banked track, it sure made for more passing which I like. Good race for McLaren, and Charles!

It looks like it would be a fun track to drive in a street car.

[URY914]

I like that this track offers something different in the backed corners. Enough of the walled off street tracks and and the tracks laid out on a clean sheet of paper in the desert.

[matthewb0051]

I saw a bit on the internet where F1 is talking about an alternate year of racing between Zandvoort and Spa. Anyone else see this???

It would be a shame since they've already nixed Hockenheim and Nurburgriing, both great tracks. Here's a thought: get rid of Vegas or Miami cleb fests.

https://www.gptours.com/gr_news/dutch-gp-denies-f1-rotation-deal-with-spa-now-agreed/

[Captain Ahab Jr]

Originally Posted by 917_Langheck

RB tyre issue is due to two reasons - the car is designed to run in clean air, thus easier to drive smoothly saving tyres; all cars running in dirty air suffer greater tyre wear, that is why they don't run nose to tail unless the driver behind knows he can send the pass.

Electronic - software - starts are not permitted. As Ant explained in post-race the clutch is set at an initial point for the grid start and at lights out the slip is managed with the left lever set on the back of the steering wheel.

You can hear the car shudder under wheel spin Lando induced.

Clutch bite point set up is super sensitive for finding optimum start stratergy and super critical on initial tyre grip.

So many variables to consider, tyre compound, track surface, weather, clutch wear, start position, engine map, and a long list of other considerations I don't know of

Combine this with practice makes perfect and not surprising Max smoked Lando

Have no experience of designing F1 steering wheel clutch levers to current rules but enjoyed a little success with previous rules

For 2011 season, after playing about with a steering wheel at my desk, had an eureka moment, not clever so don't have this happen too often

Designed a clutch release lever that if the driver spent enough time practicing using a training programme created by the Italian Olympic Authority, the clutch bite was optimised and he didn't crash into the back of anyone or was blocked ie if, if, if was pretty much guaranteed a 3x car length head start by the time he reached the 1st corner

RB got spy shots of our steering wheel, worked out how it worked, so asked the FIA for a technical clarification which stopped my design being used, bastards!!!!

No cheating going on, I'd exploited a loophole that the FIA shutdown, I redesigned it to be even quicker but by the time we got to the track RB had copied my design and the huge advantage wasn't as big as we had previously enjoyed

Technical clarifications are all part of the fun of the racing battles going on away from what the public see's or knows about

[917_Langheck]

Originally Posted by Captain Ahab Jr

Designed a clutch release lever that if the driver spent enough time practicing using a training programme created by the Italian Olympic Authority, the clutch bite was optimised and he didn't crash into the back of anyone or was blocked ie if, if, if was pretty much guaranteed a 3x car head start by the time he reached the 1st corner

I know of a driver that did/does that often. He's still pretty good.