Rust armorer found guilty

[Baz]

Originally Posted by berettafan

that footage is completely irrelevant and pointless. yet again the media proves itself to be emo garbage.

You don't think Baldwin yelling "Right away, Right away, Let's reload!" demonstrates a movie producer putting undue/irresponsible pressure on the armorer and film crew?

I think it raises it as a factoring issue at the very least.

[craigster59]

Originally Posted by Baz

You don't think Baldwin yelling "Right away, Right away, Let's reload!" demonstrates a movie producer putting undue/irresponsible pressure on the armorer and film crew?

I think it raises it as a factoring issue at the very least.

As an armorer you have the ability "To take your toys and go home". I've been on set with directors who can compromise safety and skirt rules. You just have to stand your ground and say "Do you want to do it right away, or do you want to do it safely?".

Since the Twilight Zone/John Landis fiasco I don't think any director would have the huevos to call you on it. They hire you for your expertise, not their ability to push you around. Any stuntman worth his salt would question any unsafe suggestion from a director/producer.

Granted, the armorer was very "green" and inexperienced, that was their first mistake. Jumping over dollars to save nickles.

[john70t]

So I can create a shell company.
Pay a bum on paper to be my 'armorer'.
Shoot a bunch of people in public. How bout children in schools.
And it's no longer my fault.
It's the bum's fault.

Liberals must really hate Alex Baldwin...

[Arizona_928]

I don’t get how hal took the weapon. Gave it to AB as a cold gun and rats on everyone else. He could have put the live round in the gun for heaven’s sakes.

[craigster59]

Originally Posted by Arizona_928

I don’t get how hal took the weapon. Gave it to AB as a cold gun and rats on everyone else. He could have put the live round in the gun for heaven’s sakes.

That's the "chain of custody" question and could be the armorer's "get out of jail free" card. He had no reason to handle that gun. Inexperience and incompetence all around came into play from "below the line" employees on up.

[berettafan]

Originally Posted by Baz

You don't think Baldwin yelling "Right away, Right away, Let's reload!" demonstrates a movie producer putting undue/irresponsible pressure on the armorer and film crew?

I think it raises it as a factoring issue at the very least.

they could've done a relay race every time and it wouldn't be relevant. the issue is live ammo was on set. that's it.

[Jeff Higgins]

Waaaay back when this was still a fresh story, it was widely reported that Guiterez-Reed was away at lunch, not even on the set, when Baldwin pulled the trigger. The assistant director gave the gun to Baldwin, told him "cold gun", and that was that. Guiterez-Reed was nowhere to be seen. Proceeding without the armorer on set was central to the story, at least originally. So now they are trying to say she was there?

[craigster59]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Waaaay back when this was still a fresh story, it was widely reported that Guiterez-Reed was away at lunch, not even on the set, when Baldwin pulled the trigger. The assistant director gave the gun to Baldwin, told him "cold gun", and that was that. Guiterez-Reed was nowhere to be seen. Proceeding without the armorer on set was central to the story, at least originally. So now they are trying to say she was there?

I'm not sure if she was on set. But the photo of her prop cart, completely disorganized was a telling tale. And the fact that she had a bunch of miscellaneous loose rounds in a fanny pack, let's just say that's not the way we do things.

Never mind the fact that she handed off some cocaine to another crew member to "hold" for her when she was isolated for questioning.

Along with the remote location, I'm sure once they wrapped after a days filming the booze and drugs came out and "plinking" became part of the night's festivities.

I'm not saying that AB is completely innocent in this but when you're the armorer and not on set, all guns are locked up, not laying around on a prop cart.

[Arizona_928]

The fanny pack with loose rounds shocked me too.... That set must have been crazy for that to even be a norm.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by craigster59

I'm not sure if she was on set. But the photo of her prop cart, completely disorganized was a telling tale. And the fact that she had a bunch of miscellaneous loose rounds in a fanny pack, let's just say that's not the way we do things.

Never mind the fact that she handed off some cocaine to another crew member to "hold" for her when she was isolated for questioning.

Along with the remote location, I'm sure once they wrapped after a days filming the booze and drugs came out and "plinking" became part of the night's festivities.

I'm not saying that AB is completely innocent in this but when you're the armorer and not on set, all guns are locked up, not laying around on a prop cart.

Yes, another thing covered in many of the news stories very early on - guns not locked away when the armorer was away from the set. It was determined then that she was not the only one with either the keys or the combination to the lockup, be it a safe, trailer, or whatever. It came out then that Baldwin had demanded access, and we were told that was highly unusual.

We have now gone from all of that - that she was not on set, that Baldwin also had access to the guns - both of which were widely covered, to an almost complete character assignation of Guiterez-Reed. She has now been successfully painted as some inexperienced, out of control drug addict who was snortin' coke between takes and leading alcohol-fueled plinking sessions after hours. On top of that, she has conveniently been charged with carrying a gun into a bar in another state - based upon some manner of cell phone records (texts, locational, or whatever) rather than an actual arrest with a gun in her possession in that bar.

The power and influence of the Hollywood/media machine on full display.

Baldwin is 100% solely responsible for the death of that woman. Period. He pointed a loaded gun at her. He cocked it. He pulled the trigger. As the possessor/handler of that gun, in that moment, he was fully responsible for both its condition (loaded or unloaded) and anything that happened with that gun, regardless of chain of possession, what he was told about its condition, all of that. It is entirely incumbent upon the current possessor/handler of any firearm at any time to verify its condition (loaded or unloaded), and to never, ever, under any circumstances point it at anything they are not willing to destroy. Much less cock the hammer and pull the trigger... Gun Handling 101. Absolutely inviolable rules. Unless, of course, you are "special". Like an "A List" actor. Hollywood... now using the advantage of time to blur and obfuscate the original story. Simply disgusting. But, well, Hollywood...

[craigster59]

Guilty of involuntary manslaughter...

https://nypost.com/2024/03/06/us-news/rust-armorer-hannah-gutierrez-reed-found-guilty-of-involuntary-manslaughter-in-fatal-shooting-of-halyna-hutchins/

[rfuerst911sc]

The jury found her guilty today of manslaughter . Per the article only faces up to 18 months in prison .


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/06/arts/rust-armorer-convicted-alec-baldwin-shooting.html

[Jeff Higgins]

Horribly unjust verdict. I predict it will not survive on appeal.

[masraum]

I assume she'll be the scapegoat and AB will not be convicted.

[Reiver]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Horribly unjust verdict. I predict it will not survive on appeal.

That whole operation was a sht show..... is she a sacrificial lamb?

[stealthn]

As well she should, but 18 months? Seems incredibly low

[The Synergizer]

Is Baldwin off now, scot-free?

Or is there more to come?

[Tobra]

She is the scapegoat, least powerful person involved

[Joe Bob]

At least she got rid of that crappy dye job!

[Crowbob]

Originally Posted by Tobra

She is the scapegoat, least powerful person involved

But the most responsible for managing firearms on set.