EVs didn't get better, ICE cars just turned to fat lard

[cockerpunk]

just saw this: https://www.thedrive.com/news/the-new-bmw-m5-is-heavier-than-an-x5-slower-than-the-old-m5-to-60?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2BfVzb8U9lo6-eWueZ3Vu0wH42N9dz78Xw7YgekrTHq4OZEx_mbIuMwew_aem__ kJYK-DpPI0FusKIDTBFJQ

the new M5 is over 5000lbs.

the new M4 starts at 3,800lbs!
new corvette is 3,640lbs.
new mustang GT is 37000lbs.
new camaro SS is 3,696lbs.
even a new 911 is 3,4000lbs!

4000lbs is the new 3000lbs.

tesla model 3 performance: 3,800lbs


EVs didnt get better, ICE cars all just became hot, heavy, garbage.



automakers gotta figure out that the only way ICE is going to survive against EVs, is light, and cheap. because unlike EVs range is largely detached from curb weight (adding a couple gallons to the fuel tank doesnt add hundreds of pounds).

meanwhile, the ND3 ... Curb weight: 2,400lbs. GT86: 2800lbs

like it can be done. dont tell me it cant be done, it is being done.

even the new supra is "only" 3,2000lbs. only, lol. imagine a world where a car based on a small roadster is a 3000+ lbs car .... what a joke.

[David Inc.]

Safety safety safety. I love my 911 but if it came to a crash I'd much rather be in my Giulia with its extra 1,000 pounds.

Certainly there's a lot of bloat in modern cars, but it makes sense--it's also what more customers want.

That said, a new 911 is only 700lbs more than my '82. Considering how much larger and safer it is, that's not a lot of weight.

[Arizona_928]

Costs more due to mandatory safety equipment… what does that look like? Electronic abs is mandatory instead of hydraulic, ecm encryption, emissions, ect.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by Arizona_928

Costs more due to mandatory safety equipment… what does that look like? Electronic abs is mandatory instead of hydraulic, ecm encryption, emissions, ect.

Bingo! Elect people who dictate to us through regulation, and this is what we end up with.

[brainz01]

I find amusement in one that delights in the belief that regulation can save us now bemoaning it's negative consequences... SMH

Cheap, fast, safe. Pick two. Or in this case, pick one, since Safe has been chosen for you.

There is no free lunch. But with regulation there is less choice....





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[Superman]

My 911SC weighs about 2500 lbs.

[pwd72s]

Be sure to dump your natural gas stove while you're at it. A given free rein bureaucracy knows what's best for us. As government grows-liberty shrinks. The new cars of today are but one example of many.

[Sooner or later]

Size matters.

I can't think of a model that hasn't grown significantly over the years. 911's are now giants compared to the past.

Tire and wheel sizes have also grown significantly. Where is that picture of an new 911 tire/wheel up against the rear end of an older model 911. Mind boggling.

[2.7RS]

My beloved 1986 CRX was 1865 lbs per google.

Fun, reliable, economical, 45 mpg.

I guess too reliable to modern standards and too simple or not complicated enough.

What a shame.

[2.7RS]

Oh....... and the tires...

14 inch wheels.


Nevermind the mammoth rubber modern cars with


Talking about conserving resources and saving the planet

[wdfifteen]

I was going to predict how many responses there would be before blaming of the government would start. I had 5, the number was 2 including the OP.

[David Inc.]

And deaths per mile are half what they were when that '86 came out. And those deaths/mile were half what they were in the 60s.

I'm okay with pudgier cars if it means more moms and dads making it home to their kids.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by 2.7RS

My beloved 1986 CRX was 1865 lbs per google.

Fun, reliable, economical, 45 mpg.

I guess too reliable to modern standards and too simple or not complicated enough.

What a shame.

And about the size of a go-cart.

Compared to a 2024 Civic
Length 144 to 179
Width 64 to 71
Height 50 to 56.

[Sooner or later]

This isn't the image I was thinking about but it does give a good comparison. This didn't happen due to regulation.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

This isn't the image I was thinking about but it does give a good comparison. This didn't happen due to regulation.

Bring back the bias ply tires for private vehicles.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by Arizona_928

Bring back the bias ply tires for private vehicles.

In no way are bias ply in the same universe as a radial.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

In no way are bias ply in the same universe as a radial.

This universe or the next parallel one. Pros and cons.

https://benklesc.medium.com/they-dont-make-tires-like-they-used-to-the-forgotten-world-of-bias-ply-742c43672daa


I have a set of bias plys on a 54 f100 that have been on it since the 80’s. Still holding air and not dry rotted.

Same conditions, I’ll be 5 years for a set of radials to be trashed.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by David Inc.

And deaths per mile are half what they were when that '86 came out. And those deaths/mile were half what they were in the 60s.

I'm okay with pudgier cars if it means more moms and dads making it home to their kids.

Forget who said it: "Those who want safety over liberty end up with neither."

[Sooner or later]

Radial tires are.not the reason for automobile weight bloat.

[David Inc.]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

Forget who said it: "Those who want safety over liberty end up with neither."

We have both though? You can still buy an old car and risk your life, but new vehicles being produced are safer for everyone who mostly don't care either way.