Drones over NJ

[Dpmulvan]

[wdfifteen]

The reports that they are flying over military installations and the military isn't stopping them is puzzling. Makes me wonder ...

[greglepore]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

We know one thing for certain.

We are being lied to.

100%. It may be that the technology being tested is on the ground, and the drones are targets, I dunno. But someone certainly does. The lack of noise out of the appropriate agencies is the giveaway.

[Arizona_928]

IMO, i don’t think instillations have anti drone capabilities outside of projectile munitions and those are not going to be used around garrison or next to civilians due to the optics... c-ram anyone…

these drones are just “harassment fire “. They’re gaining no more intel than Google maps. “And here is the closed down bowling alley”.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by greglepore

100%. It may be that the technology being tested is on the ground, and the drones are targets, I dunno. But someone certainly does. The lack of noise out of the appropriate agencies is the giveaway.

They caught some ccp student retrieving an electronic skimming device that was placed outside of a west coast instillation.

[Dpmulvan]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

We know one thing for certain.

We are being lied to.

Everyday, All Day.

[Dpmulvan]

[3rd_gear_Ted]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

I live three miles from Picatinny Arsenal and there were drones in the sky last night. If they were a threat I'm certain Picatinny would have splashed them.

Prey tell, how do they splash them over an urban area without the risk of collateral damage from the take down or crash?
The Drone is the same as the IED, its a game breaker with absolutely NO defense.

[craigster59]

[Bill Douglas]

More on the subject. These guys also thought it was a good idea to shoot it down.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14189169/putin-spies-mayhem-invading-british-skies-drones.html

[rfuerst911sc]

My gut reaction is shoot them down . However I don't want innocent lives on the ground hurt or killed .

[onewhippedpuppy]

Super secret Chinese drone isn’t going to be displaying conventional navigation lights, and it’s really hard to discern size accurately at night. Some commercially available drones are pretty large, this could easily be a case of hysteria by mistaken identity. Also everything that Paul said since he’s an absolute expert on this topic.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas

More on the subject. These guys also thought it was a good idea to shoot it down.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14189169/putin-spies-mayhem-invading-british-skies-drones.html

Lots of BS in that article...

[3rd_gear_Ted]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

An old friend of mine was the lead UAS guy for Predators on the border...he worked for me and then transitioned to his job in DC when he retired from the military.

I deployed hundreds and hundreds of drones in the War on Whatever...from Raven A/B's, Pioneer, Shadow, Scan Eagles, BAMS Demonstrators, Ducted Fans, a bunch of Spec Op stuff, etc...starting in 2004/5.

The Genie is out of the bottle but the Genie needs care and feeding just like every flying object.

Here is an old screen shot of a design we did for the Army. They are working the next iteration and we are still in the hunt:



The essential part of the CONOP is VTOL drones have a very limited range and endurance profile...the Army, like all services, love the concept of "Swarm" but how to you get a very limited air vehicle to the fight at distance.

We figured it out.

The need a ride and they are not coming back.

This is now a Brave Old World folks.

Also, Aerostats have been in use for many, many decades along the border and are extremely effective but limited in certain specific capabilities.

None from California, why is that?
The best tunnel builders in the world are all in Tijuana MX and the WALL is complete across the border of CA.
AZ & TX are wall slackers and have always been. Illegals going thru tunnels is too risky for the cartels big investment, only Fentanyl goes thru those at greater quantities than mules ever could of carried.
But hey, they wanted the wall and its another discussion, just venting.

[berettafan]

wouldn't the defense be to disrupt the signal they receive for direction?

[dw1]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

"something" was spotted over my neighborhood last night. Given my proximity to Picatinny I find it hard to understand why it would be permitted IF it was in fact unauthorized.

I live here in roughly the same area and we get quite a bit of general aviation traffic, especially from the local airfields that include flight training centers.

In my area it's also not that uncommon to see and/or hear medivac helicopters on their way to Morristown or one of the other major hospitals.

So maybe the drone the size of a car was perhaps the size of a Cessna 172 or an air ambulance?

Unfortunately these days a lot of people don't know much about light aircraft and think everything in the air is either a drone or an airliner.

Also, there is a national guard helicopter facility next to Picatinny, and a Blackhawk helicopter would make for an impressive sized "drone".

I do have to wonder how many people who reported seeing "drones" checked a flight tracking app before reporting their sighting.

[greglepore]

If a 172 is below 500 ft the pilot is going to get a visit from the FAA. Same with a Medevac unless its taking off or landing.
The flight apps only work if the aircraft has ADS b and not all are required to.
These are not operating like civilian or military manned aircraft. Sorry.

[greglepore]

Originally Posted by berettafan

wouldn't the defense be to disrupt the signal they receive for direction?

Maybe. You don't want it to fall from the sky and kill folks. And you don't disrupt your own stuff. So pick one.
FBI and local assets combed a field in Hillsboro NJ today and either found one or found nothing...or found something they wanted to cover up or were happy they found nothing, again, pick one.
They were in Hazmat gear, so there's that...

[greglepore]

Actually I think its Elon, and he's going to sell us a solution...or maybe want to be our fearless leader.

[dw1]

Originally Posted by greglepore

If a 172 is below 500 ft the pilot is going to get a visit from the FAA. Same with a Medevac unless its taking off or landing.
The flight apps only work if the aircraft has ADS b and not all are required to.
These are not operating like civilian or military manned aircraft. Sorry.

How many people are good at estimating the altitude of an aircraft (say, if someting is below 500 feet or not), especially at night?