A car needs to go - Which one?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by KNS

I've thought of that very idea, on old 996 or 997 but they're getting pretty old now and they have their own problems.

To those that say that's what insurance is for - I do drive them and they're insured under agreed value (the 911s). The hard part is searching out a replacement, the market has changed dramatically in the last 20-30 years.

Just increase the agreed value amount. It's easy to find a great car, just need the insurance payout appropriate to replace and find that car. I upped the amount on my car to more than it's worth as it sits, really to a fully restored value. Inexpensive in the potential long run.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Q for those posting: Why does the value take out the fun?

Fear of causing some sort of damage to a valuable asset, accident, blown motor, ,dings/scratches, some wanker keying them, etc...

[masraum]

Originally Posted by dad911

happily porscheless

Those two words don't belong together in the same sentence unless there's a "not" or "never" somewhere in there as well! just kidding, well, sort of...

[dad911]

Originally Posted by masraum

Those two words don't belong together in the same sentence unless there's a "not" or "never" somewhere in there as well! just kidding, well, sort of...

I was in deep over 30 years. I can't even guess how many cars I bought and sold over the years. 30 track days per year, plus club racing.

I had stopped racing and instructing, then a few years ago, I realized I didn't own them, they owned me..... so I quit cold turkey and sold them all (at the time a spec boxster, 2-964, a 71t & a 72)

Owned some cool cars also, like the "Karma Carrera" and a few cup cars.

I think I would like a macan, but IMHO there are better values for a small suv.

[greglepore]

Shaun, for me its simple. I have a decent 911 with 150k miles. Might need a motor tomorrow, might need one in 50k, who knows. When the cars were cheapish, you could get a motor done for 10-15k. The appreciation in value has driven the cost of a rebuild much higher, like double that now or more. Plus, if the motor broke previously, it was no biggie. Let the car sit, get to it whenever. Now that it has significant value, that's a less palatable alternative.

Yeah, I shouldn't worry about it and just enjoy the car. But it does creep in the back of your head. I liked it better when it was cheap.

[aschen]

Originally Posted by edgemar

The bimmer is depreciating the other 2 are not...

Not to be argumentative but its a fun discussion point, I think bimmer is probably on a steeper appreciation slope. It was worth near nothing just a few years ago. E46 is one of the last old school bmws its manual, NA, hydraulic steering. I don't think its on path to being crazy valuable but on a percentage basis I think it has more upside than the 911s.

The 911s have already skyrocketed, not sure they will continue at their recent rate.

[Deschodt]

I can make arguments for each "departure":

- BMW: it WILL cost you $$ soon, and this is the era where tail light stays on because a light module is bad and the replacement needs to be encoded with the VIN of the car and the mileage. That kind of $hit awaits you..

- 993: Worth the most, if you have a better place to put the $, I fear the more they go up the less I drive it. So why keep it... Also IMO the 993, inside, is 95% identical to your G series when seating in the driver seat, so if you squint in the 911 you still think you own the 993 ;-)

- The G series is now a tractor by modern standards. I genuinely think they are overpriced now for the experience you get. If it ever needs an engine rebuild you're gonna regret not selling it, also slower than the 993. Sell it while the market is nuts.

Me, (and I owned those 3 cars +/- 1 model year!!!) in "selling first order"
#1 the 3-series, it's a run of a the mill vanilla second gen E46, absolutely nothing there that is not reproducible.
#2 G series (overpriced IMO, take the $)
#3 993, it's has cost issues but it's so pretty and is a nicer car overall

[Tim Hancock]

I would keep them all and be happy.

[Billiam 911 2.8]

I know a lady that drives a real Speedster hard in the hills above the Bay Area. I don't track the value of cars and it plays no role in my keeping or selling. That said, I would sell the 993 as it has this halo of being the last of the air cooled cars.

[911boost]

I have thought about this as well as I have 3 "fun" cars also. I have two Mustangs, a 1966 and 1992. I got the "66 at 17 and am the second owner so it will never go anywhere. I could sell the 1992 and not care, but my daughter wants it so I just put it in the storage for the winter and suspend the insurance.

My Pcar has appreciated pretty crazily since I bought in 2018, but like others have mentioned I have it insured and while the insurance bill is painful, it allows me to drive it. It is a rare color combo which makes it worth more to the right buyer, but not replaceable.

It is right in line with what I could buy a nice Speedster for, so there is a little worry, but I am not saving the car for its next owner.

For your question, the 993 is the only one you have that I have not owned. I had an '86 cab, a '92 Turbo and a '03 996TT.

If you have to sell one I would say the BMW as it would be the easiest to replace.

If you are dead set on selling one of the 911's, take them both for a spirited drive back to back and keep which ever one gives you the biggest smile.

You will make the most on the 993, but if it was me that is the one I would sell. The body shape just never grew on me. I did think about a 993TT, but as you have said, finding a good air cooled mechanic is getting harder and I think if I get another older one it will be a 1994 3.6 Turbo. Which is just a long way of me saying the 993 is my least favorite air cooled and they are worth a lot now, so I'd cash in on that.

Unless its S and has the widebody.......

Bill

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by greglepore

Shaun, for me its simple. I have a decent 911 with 150k miles. Might need a motor tomorrow, might need one in 50k, who knows. When the cars were cheapish, you could get a motor done for 10-15k. The appreciation in value has driven the cost of a rebuild much higher, like double that now or more. Plus, if the motor broke previously, it was no biggie. Let the car sit, get to it whenever. Now that it has significant value, that's a less palatable alternative.

Yeah, I shouldn't worry about it and just enjoy the car. But it does creep in the back of your head. I liked it better when it was cheap.

I hear you Greg but as far as the motor goes, I would take it to a well respected shop and have them do compression and leakdown tests, maybe bore scope the cylinders and if they give it a clean bill of health, just drive it. Carrera motors can go well into 300K miles. I sold a 3.2 with 246K miles on it (years and years ago) because a friend said with that kind miles it could go at any time. I sold it cheaply letting buyers know mileage. Buyer pulled it apart and at best if needed a top end done. Cylinders were perfect. So if you've taken care of your car, it would probable run another 100K to 150K miles before needing any kind of work done. Tests will certainly give you piece of mind.

I had to have all lower studs done on my car when I got it. Thankfully everything else was in good form. And drive it now as much as I can even with it being an M491. It really loves being driven and I'm happy to oblige.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by masraum

Fear of causing some sort of damage to a valuable asset, accident, blown motor, ,dings/scratches, some wanker keying them, etc...

I get it but insurance covers everything except the motor. See reply to Greg.

[john70t]

Originally Posted by masraum

... some wanker keying them, etc...

How ironic. A 20yo porsha is now valued at 1/10th the price of a new truck.

A brand new car...given free to those less fortunate....to be crashed within a year...over emotions.

There is no public common sense on valuation these days.
-Or real value. (hint: it is people and being with those you love in life.)
-Or the urge to say "That is wrong and stupid"

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by john70t

How ironic. A 20yo porsha is now valued at 1/10th the price of a new truck.

A brand new car...given free to those less fortunate....to be crashed within a year...over emotions.

There is no public common sense on valuation these days.
-Or real value. (hint: it is people and being with those you love in life.)
-Or the urge to say "That is wrong and stupid"

We are talking 911's here so if you see one for 1/10th the cost of a new truck, by all means call me.

[john70t]

New loaded pickups are approaching $100k from the factory.
Loaded with surveillance electronics.
Ne?

Double-Digit IQ people on the street see something with sexy curves, built a half decade ago, and ass-ume it equals value.

The idea of destroying something beautiful....because it's nearby...should be examined further..

[greglepore]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

I hear you Greg but as far as the motor goes, I would take it to a well respected shop and have them do compression and leakdown tests, maybe bore scope the cylinders and if they give it a clean bill of health, just drive it. Carrera motors can go well into 300K miles. I sold a 3.2 with 246K miles on it (years and years ago) because a friend said with that kind miles it could go at any time. I sold it cheaply letting buyers know mileage. Buyer pulled it apart and at best if needed a top end done. Cylinders were perfect. So if you've taken care of your car, it would probable run another 100K to 150K miles before needing any kind of work done. Tests will certainly give you piece of mind.

I had to have all lower studs done on my car when I got it. Thankfully everything else was in good form. And drive it now as much as I can even with it being an M491. It really loves being driven and I'm happy to oblige.

Oh, I' just driving it. No worries there. But its like turning 65. I feel great, I'm fit, but I know that the slope is not going uphill any longer.

[greglepore]

Originally Posted by Deschodt

I can make arguments for each "departure":



- 993: Worth the most, if you have a better place to put the $, I fear the more they go up the less I drive it. So why keep it... Also IMO the 993, inside, is 95% identical to your G series when seating in the driver seat, so if you squint in the 911 you still think you own the 993 ;-)

- The G series is now a tractor by modern standards. I genuinely think they are overpriced now for the experience you get. If it ever needs an engine rebuild you're gonna regret not selling it, also slower than the 993. Sell it while the market is nuts.


#2 G series (overpriced IMO, take the $)
#3 993, it's has cost issues but it's so pretty and is a nicer car overall

I agree with all of this except the "tractor" comment. With some judicious suspension work, a g body is a razor. Unlike anything you can get today, except miata's, s2000's and the odd lotus. But they are very much overvalued. At the end of the day they are amazing cars at 30k, at 50-60 they're just a trinket.

I've not had long term 993 experience, but believe its got the 911 attributes with enough modernity to make it less of a toy and more of a "car" without being too far off the mark, so yeah, despite its value it would stay.

[jhynesrockmtn]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Q for those posting: Why does the value take out the fun?

I'll add my perspective and it's part of what drove me selling my 356. It was no Speedster, but sold for a decent amount for a C Coupe.

I'm not wealthy and can't afford to maintain a bunch of cars as I move to retire in 3 years. I have an 83 911 that is a great runner but a 6/10 cosmetically now and set up as a track car. I also have 3 914s. Only one is worth anything. It's a nice Bumblebee.

With the 356, one of my worries, even with insurance, was getting hit and finding someone who can properly repair it. Sure, insurance may pay for it, but there is no one within several hundred miles of me that could properly repair a 356. I just found myself driving it less and less and it was really the only one of my cars that was ready to go. In my extreme catastrophic thinking moments at 4am, I also see a time when no one wants these things. Have you been to a 356 gathering? I'm 62 and would be considered a young guy in that crowd :-)

[jrj3rd]

Originally Posted by edgemar

The bimmer is depreciating the other 2 are not...

This. Never seel appreciating assests unless you need the funds.

[Alan A]

Sell all three. Get something water cooled.