A car needs to go - Which one?

[porsche930dude]

Kinda depends how much you actually drive and need a car. For work, travel ect.. If you are retired and dont drive too far or often its easier to live with less comfort and reliability even though you want more comfort and reliability. And driving a modern car for fun there is no adventure in it. I dont like modern cars also dont really go anywhere so one modern car is enough. My 82 sc is borderline modern and if driven too often is not really fun anymore. Also too reliable so noth much tinkering. The rest of my 7 cars are pre 1972 and they are fun and practical for local runs and always stuff to improve upon. So I would sell the 993 and bmw and get an older project car something that you always liked but never bothered to own.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by jrj3rd

This. Never seel appreciating assests unless you need the funds.

Sorry but a garden variety E46 sedan with over 250k is not an appreciating asset in any universe. The only E46 that has appreciated is the M3, and even they are not very expensive. Nothing against the E46 but they just a used car.

[KNS]

^^ I think he was referring to not selling the two 911s.

[john70t]

Originally Posted by jhynesrockmtn

. I just found myself driving it less and less and it was really the only one of my cars that was ready to go. In my extreme catastrophic thinking moments at 4am, I also see a time when no one wants these things. Have you been to a 356 gathering? I'm 62 and would be considered a young guy in that crowd :-)

I think the shape is eternal.
And will only get more unique and valuable when future generations recognize what has been lost...

Power plant? It should stay original like the car as long as possible.

[rattlsnak]

I'd sell the '84 911. The beemer is a good rainy day car and the 993 is still appreciating. No need for the '84 model really.

[Deschodt]

Originally Posted by greglepore

I agree with all of this except the "tractor" comment. With some judicious suspension work, a g body is a razor. Unlike anything you can get today, except miata's, s2000's and the odd lotus. But they are very much overvalued. At the end of the day they are amazing cars at 30k, at 50-60 they're just a trinket.

Greg, 100% agree with you, it's value based. All tongue in cheek obviously. I've owned an SC for 20 years. I call G series tractors because of the agricultural nature of their touch points, esp gearbox (915 more than G50), heavy brakes that feel unassisted, no ABS, no power steering. When I see SCs selling at $60K and I know intimately how they feel (kinda stuck between modern and classic), how fast they are not (yeah you can hussle one but you can hussle a civic Type R also), I no longer see the value at that new price point.. Heck I can say the same of my (beloved) 356s at $100K which I shouldn't have sold and will never buy again - and I still own a 1972 911 which is slightly more quaint and classic than a G series but equally a tractor in my book, LOL...

My only point is the only cars I regret selling were my 356s, classic, special. In your list above only the 993 falls near that category of "special" mostly by virtue of looks, last aircooled and a decent 3.6. I love me a G model, but they are not special enough to justify the current pricing. Still, the E46 is the one you must drop, I was not joking I spent $25K on my E46 M3 in 5 years, all crap quality component repairs and ungodly coding of modules with an old laptop. Don't be me. Any bimmer post E30 is a disposable strictly depreciating asset. If not depreciating, the repairs will getcha. The effing chassis cracks like a pretzel on E46s rear subframes, for pete's sake !

PS: Would anyone here on this board since forever, who paid $10-20K for an SC back in the day, ever consider buying one now for $60K? (just curious, maybe I'm the only cheapskate)

[greglepore]

Originally Posted by Deschodt

Greg, 100% agree with you, it's value based. All tongue in cheek obviously. I've owned an SC for 20 years. I call G series tractors because of the agricultural nature of their touch points, esp gearbox (915 more than G50), heavy brakes that feel unassisted, no ABS, no power steering. When I see SCs selling at $60K and I know intimately how they feel (kinda stuck between modern and classic), how fast they are not (yeah you can hussle one but you can hussle a civic Type R also), I no longer see the value at that new price point.. Heck I can say the same of my (beloved) 356s at $100K which I shouldn't have sold and will never buy again - and I still own a 1972 911 which is slightly more quaint and classic than a G series but equally a tractor in my book, LOL...

My only point is the only cars I regret selling were my 356s, classic, special. In your list above only the 993 falls near that category of "special" mostly by virtue of looks, last aircooled and a decent 3.6. I love me a G model, but they are not special enough to justify the current pricing. Still, the E46 is the one you must drop, I was not joking I spent $25K on my E46 M3 in 5 years, all crap quality component repairs and ungodly coding of modules with an old laptop. Don't be me. Any bimmer post E30 is a disposable strictly depreciating asset. If not depreciating, the repairs will getcha. The effing chassis cracks like a pretzel on E46s rear subframes, for pete's sake !

PS: Would anyone here on this board since forever, who paid $10-20K for an SC back in the day, ever consider buying one now for $60K? (just curious, maybe I'm the only cheapskate)

No, you're not. I traded a well used e28m5 for 10k and purchased my then 15 yr old Carrera for the same (2000ish) and then spent a year doing body work on the 911. I miss the e28, honestly. I'd be more likely to pay 50k for a pristine m5 than an average Carrera. That's not to say the 911's aren't special, but they're not 50-60k special. But neither were ss 396 Chevelles. Its just supply and demand, and really has nothing to do with intrinsic worth. At a certain point, cars that were iconic in youth collide with disposable income and stuff gets warped, only to crash 20 years later.

[speeder]

I echo what everyone else is saying about the lack of value in Porsches at today’s prices but I still love them if they were still cheap. A lot of the fun got sucked out of the hobby when prices went up. Remember early 2000s Pelican? Guys who were young, active duty military service members were buying 911SCs and working on them, modifying them, etc. Everyone was going to the track and burning up a set of tires on a regular basis and it was a real brotherhood around here. I miss it and my air-cooled 911s a lot.

One small note I’d like to make; Descholt above said that “you can also hustle a Civic R…” My business partner has a 2025 Civic R, (as well as a GT3 and a lot of other vehicles), that Honda is seriously fast. It has a tune and exhaust and if you stab the pedal at 30-40 mph, it breaks traction and takes off like a scalded banshee. It would destroy a G-body 911 in any type of race. Also, it was around $55k out the door with dealer markup before the mods, so not sure about the context of the comparison. Anyhow….agree with you guys. If I was him, I’d get rid of the redundant car, one of the 911 Porsches.

[oldE]

I can't recall anyone asking this question:" Which of the three do you drive when you have the time and inclination?"
Which car 'fits you' when you slip behind the wheel?
Each of us here has our own opinion, but those are based upon our unique experiences and biases. This is about you and your personal connection (or lack thereof) with these automobiles.

[KNS]

Originally Posted by oldE

I can't recall anyone asking this question:" Which of the three do you drive when you have the time and inclination?"
Which car 'fits you' when you slip behind the wheel?
Each of us here has our own opinion, but those are based upon our unique experiences and biases. This is about you and your personal connection (or lack thereof) with these automobiles.

Funny you mention that. I wasn't sure if posting the question "Which one should I sell?" to the board would be helpful but it has, actually. Some of you have stated things I hadn't considered. It seems that most (not all) are saying to sell the BMW for common sense reasons. I'm leaning towards doing that.

I have to realize that the point will come some day that I sell the BMW (or one of the others). It will be just as difficult whether I sell now or ten years from now.

[osidak]

Originally Posted by jhynesrockmtn

I also see a time when no one wants these things. Have you been to a 356 gathering? I'm 62 and would be considered a young guy in that crowd :-)

i would die to own one...... they are out of my budget

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by jhynesrockmtn

I'll add my perspective and it's part of what drove me selling my 356. It was no Speedster, but sold for a decent amount for a C Coupe.

I'm not wealthy and can't afford to maintain a bunch of cars as I move to retire in 3 years. I have an 83 911 that is a great runner but a 6/10 cosmetically now and set up as a track car. I also have 3 914s. Only one is worth anything. It's a nice Bumblebee.

With the 356, one of my worries, even with insurance, was getting hit and finding someone who can properly repair it. Sure, insurance may pay for it, but there is no one within several hundred miles of me that could properly repair a 356. I just found myself driving it less and less and it was really the only one of my cars that was ready to go. In my extreme catastrophic thinking moments at 4am, I also see a time when no one wants these things. Have you been to a 356 gathering? I'm 62 and would be considered a young guy in that crowd :-)

Thanks for sharing, I can definitely understand your perspective.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Deschodt

PS: Would anyone here on this board since forever, who paid $10-20K for an SC back in the day, ever consider buying one now for $60K? (just curious, maybe I'm the only cheapskate)

I struggle with this myself. But I don’t have a spare $60k so it’s all academic anyway. I would kill to have another SC, but at $60k? Not sure about that one. Yes I’m also a cheapskate and my first 911 was a 1970 911T that I bought for $4,500 and used as a daily driver.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by jyl

That's what insurance is for!

Originally Posted by john70t

How ironic. A 20yo porsha is now valued at 1/10th the price of a new truck.

A brand new car...given free to those less fortunate....to be crashed within a year...over emotions.

There is no public common sense on valuation these days.
-Or real value. (hint: it is people and being with those you love in life.)
-Or the urge to say "That is wrong and stupid"

Where are you finding a $10k air cooled 911? Or are you saying that's what some site or ins co thinks the "value" is because it's old? Aren't the old air cooled cars $40k - $140k these days depending upon the car and condition?

[masraum]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

I struggle with this myself. But I don’t have a spare $60k so it’s all academic anyway. I would kill to have another SC, but at $60k? Not sure about that one. Yes I’m also a cheapskate and my first 911 was a 1970 911T that I bought for $4,500 and used as a daily driver.

Yep, I had an '88 targa, and while I would LOVE another one, there's no way in hell that I'm prepared to pay for another one.

[anrew]

Man, I get it — sometimes it feels like our cars demand endless attention. One repair leads to another, and before you know it, your weekend’s gone. But hey, at least there’s satisfaction when you finally get it running right again. On a side note, I’ve been going through pinterest reviews since I’ve been using it to save ideas for DIY car projects, and it’s been surprisingly helpful for organizing all those random fixes I want to try

[wildthing]

I'll take the 993 off you for $60K.

[greglepore]

Speaking of not wanting to have to repair a 356, here' a facebook post from Mike Wolfe of American Pickers fame

[zakthor]

Originally Posted by osidak

i would die to own one...... they are out of my budget

Me three. I get all sorts of hell from my better arf about cars but she swoons if I show her a pitcher of a 356 for sale.

It’s crazy and stupid but she wants one too.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

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