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Translated: France is going to wait & see if Saddam is really going to finger them, before they forgive Iraks debts.

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Old 12-16-2003, 12:11 PM
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Remember when Bushy was talked into going to the UN to get a finial resolution about Saddam and Irak.

There were 3 reasons for it.

1. It was a sop to Colin Powell.. a PR gesture to make it appear the US was working with the international community to solve the problem rather than just be unilateral about it...

2. It gave the US military time to build up it's military presence in Kuwait and the Persian Gulf

3. It gave time for the boyz in the White House time to make some kind of plans for a post Saddam Irak. This is why Rummy and Wolfie ultimately signed off on going to the UN.


The first two reasons were widely reported and are no brainers...but the post war planning for Irak was not. They tried desperately to find some group or faction other than the Kurds that they could support in Irak to help the US overthorow Saddam. But they found ole Saddamie did his work too well. So the WH in the end really didn't know what it was going to do or take to reconstruct Irak...they had no plan, because there was nothing they could hang their hat on. They went in flying blind.
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3. It gave time for the boyz in the White House time to make some kind of plans for a post Saddam Irak.
And some kind of plan it was . . .
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Well another TABS prediction has comne true...todays newspaper from A Wahington Post article says...That Bathist Party members are being killed in Irak..that 50 or so former Saddam Regime officals have bin hit so far.
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didn't catch that article, tabs. were these retribution killings by other Iraqis?
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ahaaa. the system has begun to convulse and purge itself. albeit in the morbid fashion so characteristic of violent revolutions. it will be interesting to see, though, what will replade them
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And then there is the positive effect on Libya.

How much longer can Dean hold on to his claim that the world is no safer?
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lol, I just looked at the same things. and ironically enough, I was lying in bed this morning thinking (pondering all sorts of things as I often do) "y'know, haven't heard much from ole' Qa-Daffy in quite a while..."
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Kadaffy has been laying low ever since the US bombed his family over a decade ago.

With recent administration talk of using nuclear bunker buster bombs against his underground bomb shelters and lab facilities I can see he is taking the message.

I am sure if Bush wants to invade or support a terrorist war against Libia this aint going to stop him. I am pretty sure he will keep his focus on the middle east and pacific rim though.
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The USA has the ME squarely in it's gunsights, and we ain't goin away anytime soon. The USA is gona pick these guys off one by one, everytime they poke their heads up...bang. Another one off to paradise.

Kaddaffy Duck...He's just smarter than he looks and might be around for a while as a result. U might say he become an Uncle Kaddaffy...

U gota realize when you drop 2 buildings in downtown NYC in broad daylight theres gota be some reaction...some he!! to pay. We ain't gona stop till theres a Wally World and Micky D's on every corner. For Christs sake it's become a down right crusade to save those wogs from themselves. Amen and pass me some 308 rounds, I see somethin movin at about 800 yards.
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tabs, you coulda said that without the racial slur. Its not really necessary.

I am really pleased about Libya (obviously) - it seems like a great outcome for everyone (rare at the moment!).

For the record, I agree with 350 - it mighta happened without the war on Iraq (the agreement on Lockerbie payments did, I think). I don't think I'm looking to argue about it, so lets not get into a "Gaddafi would have made this agreement without the spectre of becoming the next Iraq - no he wouldn't - yes he would - no he wouldn't - yes he would".

Let's just disagree.
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no he wouldn't
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yes he wou.... WAIT A MINUTE - I KNOW YOUR TRICKS!
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For the record, I agree with 350 - it mighta happened without the war on Iraq (the agreement on Lockerbie payments did, I think). I don't think I'm looking to argue about it, so lets not get into a "Gaddafi would have made this agreement without the spectre of becoming the next Iraq - no he wouldn't - yes he would - no he wouldn't - yes he would".

Let's just disagree.
SO to paraphrase:

'The US lead "War on Terrorism" likely wasn't an influence on the WMD producing Gaddafi!
. . .now that I (Cam) have made that point, this issue should be closed'


Did I get that about right?
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Nah, I suppose it came off that way though!!

What I meant was:

"There is another point of view, but let's not argue it because I am so in the minority and the Bush-TV thread gilloutine is being paraded in the streets".

Besides, I am not sure what I believe - even to my grey liberal logic, at very least the war in Iraq will have hastened Gaddafi's thinking on his position in the world.

(edit - I actually can't help myself. I might have to copy Island's sig )


"War on Terrorism" (which I think is a good idea) is different to "Iraq invasion" (which I don't).

And I never said or intended "likely wasn't" - it would be "might not have been that strong".

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