Most Evil Regime of All Time

[jbryant]

do you think it is fair to the turdfondlers, comparing them to purryboinker like that. They are an oppressed segment of our society (really, I learned that in school. if you do not believe me you can search it on the net) and they deserve better.

[dd74]

In a word: reparation.

Let's see: what would 28 acres and a mule translate into today's economy?

Disappearance of the African-American race? One only need look at our urban cities. Or our suburbs.

There's a hell of a lot more Armenians moving into my neighborhood than blacks.

Addendum: anyone read "The Human Stain" by Philip Roth?

In any good socialogical setting that book would beg the question: "Does acceptance in this country require appeasement or worse yet 'adjustment?'"

[Big Ed]

The most evil regime of all time is George Steinbrenner's New York Yankees.

[Drago]

Well, even us west-coasters will agree with that one.

Damn yankees. Although...it was fun watching them loose this year!

[island911]

Genetic mapping says we are all from Africa. (I want reparations)

While the French hold on to their frog-ness, and Canada seeks to be a "collage" the United States continues to lead, by considering itself a "melting pot" . ..bringing together diverse color and cultural extremes.

A better argument would be that indeed the US is at best/worst; "Evil-Lite" .. . the "Diet Coke of Evil".

[CamB]

Actually, doesn't genetic mapping put us all in Iraq? Did you guys just invade my ancestors!

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/entertainment/jan-june98/diamond_4-17.html

The book's pretty good.

[Purrybonker]

Oh, so it's a "I hate America, but my tongue's in my cheek to make it look like I don't hate America." thread.

Hmmm...sounds like a cop out to me.

...actually DD74 - I happen to think that the US is absolutely the greatest nation on earth. The point I was trying to make is that if you look at anything or anyone from a certain angle - they'll come out looking bad. Americans should try looking at the rest of the world with wide open eyes rather than just through the lense of a rifle scope

Turdfondler (er, Purrybonker),

Four of your five claims are false. Get a clue. And **** off

...have to admit you got me with that witty reparte - I have no come back to such cunningly placed logic. If you have ever played any of the "Monkey Island" games - your comments remind me of those silly sword fights that are based on insulting each other. Those were funny, yours...

[Purrybonker]

Actually - you guys are just like us - you kill more people with your cars every year (tobacco notwithstanding) than anything else. And as we know best on this board - those things can be even cooler than all that ordnance you listed, particularily if they happen to wear a Porsche badge.

[dd74]

Originally posted by Purrybonker
[B} The point I was trying to make is that if you look at anything or anyone from a certain angle - they'll come out looking bad. Americans should try looking at the rest of the world with wide open eyes rather than just through the lense of a rifle scope
[/B]

Too much of a blanket statement for me.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Originally posted by Purrybonker
Actually - you guys are just like us - you kill more people with your cars every year (tobacco notwithstanding) than anything else.

You don't get out much, do you....

In the two months I was in Semarang, Indonesia, I saw more people killed in car accidents than I've seen in the rest of my life in the US.

And I live in a suburb of Phoenix, Arizona, red-light-running capital of the USA.

[dd74]

Have to go with Blue on that. Either they're morons or F1 drivers en masse in Italy, but damn, I could see there being a lot of highway carnage from Florence to Deruta.

BTW: I think the most deadly spat of tarmac is somewhere in South Africa, though exactly where...???

[Icemaster]

Originally posted by 350HP930
Are you aware of what the average life expectancy of a black slave in the americas in the 18th and 19th century and how many were either worked to death or executed for not being obedient slaves?

And what year does your calendar say again......?

[emcon5]

Originally posted by Purrybonker
No.1 They have the largest percentage of their population in jail, right now, than any other nation on earth (about three times more than their nearest competitor). About 3% of the citizens of this nation spend their time in jail...

We are in the lead, but neither the 3% nor the 3X are even close. The US leads (with 0.641%) Russia (with 0.637%) is right behind us, and Belarus (with 0.577%) is right behind them.

Considering the rights of the accused in this country, I don't have a problem with that. All of them were convicted of committing a crime, by a jury of their peers, or plead guilty.

with virtually no rights of any kind- let alone the right to vote for/against the government that put them/keeps them there.

So what? These are not political prisoners here, but covicted criminals. You don't go to jail for ideas in this country, you go to jail for actions, violating the laws made by the duly elected government. Part of the deal is if convicted you don't get to vote. Again, I don't see how this is a bad thing.

No.2 They execute a large percentage of their population every year in criminal proceedings - more than just about any other nation on the planet. These guys bumped-off about five times more of their population than even good old Saddam was able to pull off during 2002. They have even been known to execute minors.

You are asserting that in 2002 the USA executed five times more people than Iraq? Based on what? A quick web search shows 71 convicted murderers were executed in the US in 2002. Considering that current estimates for Baghdad alone stand at 61,000 executions over the course of Hussein’s 24 years in power, I am going to wave the big red BS flag. The math comes out to just under 7 people executed per day, just in Baghdad. If for some strange reason Iraq only executed 14 people in 2002, it certainly doesn't cancel out the 300,000+ people executed in the other 23 years.

So, we executed 71 murderers in 2002. Again, no problem with this. The majority of people in this country believe in the death penalty. Whether is is really a deterrent, or simply retribution is irrelevant. Even if it is accurate (which it certainly isn't) the comparison to Iraq is apples and oranges. In the USA there is a well defined legal process, which takes many years. The death sentence again comes from a jury comprised of common citizens.

In Iraq you could be executed immediately for being unhappy Uday wanted to bang your 12 year old daughter in front of you. Then again, maybe you wouldn't be dragged out to the street and beheaded, if you were lucky, maybe you would get off with having a red hot poker shoved up your anus.

No.4 This nation has the dubious honor of holding the record for killing the most civilians in a single military action during war-time.

Maybe. I assume you are refering to Hiroshima, with 66,000 dead. It really depends on how you define "single militray action". I can't find a reference, but I would bet that the Soviet capture of Berlin in 1945 killed as many, or more, it just took more than one day.

You can also compare the total dead from both Atomic bombs (est 105,000 dead) with the number of dead in the invasion of the island of Okinawa, 107,000 Japanese and Okinawan troops, and an estimated 100,000 Okinawan civilians, and make a guess of how many would die had we not used the atomic bombs and had to invade the much larger and more populated Japan. This is not even considering the 12,000 Americans killed, and how many more would have died had we invaded Japan. Ugly as they were, dropping the bombs saved lives, both Japanese and American.

No.5 This nation possesses and spends more money producing wmd(s) every year, than every other nation on earth, combined.

I would like to see a reference on this one. Granted we have a bunch of them in inventory, but I do not believe we are still producing any new Nuclear\Biological\Chemical weapons. I am also suspicious that there are accurate published numbers for this. How much is North Korea spending on thier nuke program?

No.6 This nation has the highest crime rate, highest violent crime rate and highest murder rate of any country on the planet.

Again, wrong. The highest rates for various crimes:

Murder- Colombia, 0.65/1000 people (US is 23d, .05/1000, Canada is 44th)
Assault - South Africa, 12.27/1000 people (US is 6th, 7.98/1000, Canada is 9th)
Robbery- Spain, 12.41/1000 people (US is 10th, 1.46/1000, Canada is 21st)
Burgulary- Australia, 22.35/1000 people (US is 15th, 7.48/1000, Canada is 9th )
Rape- South Africa, 1.21 per 1000 people (US is 9th, 0.32/1000, Canada is 5th)
Total crimes- Dominica 111.99/1000 people (US is 8th, 84.39/1000, Canada is 11th, Look out Cam, NZ is 2nd.)

I can't find any crime category where the US has the highest rate. I did find a few where Canada leads the US.

How do we get a "coalition of the willing" to bomb these guys back into the stoneage before they become a threat to world peace?

Any ideas?

We can start by getting our stats straight.

"tongue firmly in cheek" or not, where did you dig up this load of nonsense, Al Jazera?

Tom

edit: Typo

[speeder]

Excellent post, Tom. For anyone who thinks that I am a simple ideological lefty, I beg to differ. Au contraire. I just like facts as opposed to spin. Once again, excellent response w/ real stats.

Also, I am not philosophically opposed to the death penalty, as long as it is applied using fair, uniform standards and mistakes can be ruled out w/ as close to certainty as is humanly possible.

I also agree w/ George Carlin, there really is no such thing as a "death penalty" since we are all going to die anyways. It's more like an "early death penalty", if you think about it. Just eliminating those last miserable, incarcinated years from your resume'.

[CamB]

Nice bringing of the tech, Tom

Just to further muddy the waters, crime is measured in different ways in different countries (for instance, the difference between victimisation and conviction).

[Zendalar]

Hmh, why do Americans always brag about "what they did 100 years ago".

This is now, that was then. I don't believe USA would do anything (helping) nowadays without profit.

For example in Iraq: "If you did not kill the bad guys, you have no business here, you can't come in here and rebuild. This is our colony"

Your country is on orange alert, your budjet is 5% negative (which is a big thing), every person in USA "has debt" of 24000$....All this because you have a warmonger as a leader (who forgot that country needs cash for something else than war)

Is your next target perhaps Libya since it announced that it will be giving up its plans for mass destruction weapons? Easy target then eh? Or Syria?

The more you are in debt, the more you have to cut the social and educational benefits..this causing more crimes and unrest.

Oh yeah, cruise missiles cost between $500,000 and $1,000,000 each.

Catching saddam was a good thing though

[dd74]

Originally posted by Zendalar
Hmh, why do Americans always brag about "what they did 100 years ago".

This is now, that was then. I don't believe USA would do anything (helping) nowadays without profit.

For example in Iraq: "If you did not kill the bad guys, you have no business here, you can't come in here and rebuild. This is our colony"

Your country is on orange alert, your budjet is 5% negative (which is a big thing), every person in USA "has debt" of 24000$....All this because you have a warmonger as a leader (who forgot that country needs cash for something else than war)

Is your next target perhaps Libya since it announced that it will be giving up its plans for mass destruction weapons? Easy target then eh? Or Syria?

The more you are in debt, the more you have to cut the social and educational benefits..this causing more crimes and unrest.

Oh yeah, cruise missiles cost between $500,000 and $1,000,000 each.

Catching saddam was a good thing though

Do you really want to go there with us?

[emcon5]

Originally posted by Zendalar
This is now, that was then. I don't believe USA would do anything (helping) nowadays without profit.

So how exactly did the United States Profit in Somalia? How exactly are we profiting in Afghanastan? How exactly are we profiting in the Balkans?

For example in Iraq: "If you did not kill the bad guys, you have no business here, you can't come in here and rebuild. This is our colony"

No, more like "You haven't contributed anything, you have done nothing but whine, and now you want to to make money out of the rebuilding of a country that if it was up to you would still be under a brutal dictatorship? I don't think so.

It has nothing at all to do with "killing the bad guys", it has to do with a vision of the reconstruction of a free Iraq. The vast majority of the countries on the list as eligable for contracts did not contribute any money or troops, but they are on board with the program. Or do you really believe that Iceland, Tonga, Nicarauga and Ethiopia sent cash and troops? You can read U.S. DOD memo with the full list here:

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/121003_dod.pdf

Your country is on orange alert, your budjet is 5% negative (which is a big thing), every person in USA "has debt" of 24000$....All this because you have a warmonger as a leader (who forgot that country needs cash for something else than war)

No, our country is on Orange alert because some fanatical people believe that we are evil and must be destroyed. Please enlighten us what "Warmongering" our President did prior to 9/11/01?

Our budget is negative because we are at war (which we did not start), and wars are expensive. The fact that the world economy has been slow for the past few years certainly hasn't helped matters.

Is your next target perhaps Libya since it announced that it will be giving up its plans for mass destruction weapons? Easy target then eh? Or Syria?

No, but the the threat of military action in Libya certainly didn't hurt. From here

Gadhafi said Libya's intent in entering into the agreement was to gain access to defensive weapons and banned technology, to have sanctions against it lifted and "to eliminate any threats against Libya from the West and from the [United] States in particular."

The concept is simple. If you don't sponsor or harbor terrorists, you have nothing to worry about.

Tom

[Moneyguy1]

My God....This is rather silly. What other country, in modern times has tried harder to INTEGRATE? And, who pushes for these types of changes initially in order to give them impetus? It certaintly ain't the so-called "minority". Because, at the time of initial change, a minority has little or no power. So, it must be members of the establishment that try to turn things around. Purry, my friend, ALL countries including your frozen little world have skeletons they wish to hide, as well as past actions that require atonement. Please do not try to make it out that Canada is blameless in its history of abusing original residents of the country. I could bring out the old saw that one of the reasons that Canada enjoys the freedom it does is because of its neighbor to the South, but that becomes obvious. As for the French; I hold nothing against the French people. Most of them are like us: wanting a roof over their heads, clothes on their back, and a purpose (read job). Leadership of countries can go astray and make bad decisions, but I think most of the folks in these countries just want to go on with their daily lives and provide for their families. And, leaders come and go, as do policies. I lived in upstate NY for most of my life, and had friends in Toronto and Hamilton with which we traded visits on an annual basis. I found things there not much different than in the states, including some attitudes about stereotypes. A border is an arbitrary line; some thinking transcends these lines. Out here in the Southwest, most of us speak two languages because we are truly a mixed society. It may not be perfect, but for the most part we all get along.

The facts you display are like so many; capable of being warped and skewed to suit the user's purpose. When you have something positive to say, I will be willing to read it. For every negative, there is a positive. This is an immutable law of nature.

Have a great Holiday.

[JTO]

Man Tom! Nicely done. I dream of composing my thoughts and having my facts so to the point.

Troy