Now that John Kerry's military records are reased...

[Beethoven]

Don't you read the newspapers? All available records were released today. You can see them here: http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/election2004/docs.html#jkerry

That was at the same time when Bush was living in an off-barracks apartment cavorting and drinking (I wish he still did that); there were months when he report for duty.

I wish you guys would at least concede this point. It's just so damn obvious, and it looks as the American people don't actually care about it that much. But it would give us the welcome relief that we're not dealing with a bunch of blind fanatics.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Beethoven
Don't you read the newspapers? All available records were released today. You can see them here: http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/election2004/docs.html#jkerry

Big difference between "all" and "all available." Don't you find it odd that GW realeased approx 150 pgs for his limited duty in th ANG and a "war hero" only realeased abou 120 pgs?

[350HP930]

Hmm, the FBI records. I wonder if hoover also tried all the same tricks on kerry that he did on MLK?

[fintstone]

Originally posted by 350HP930
Hmm, the FBI records. I wonder if hoover also tried all the same tricks on kerry that he did on MLK?

Maybe..but Hoover could only blackmail you if you did something wrong.

[fintstone]

Actually, I would like him to release his files from the FBI full field investigation into Kerry's organization, the VVAW, which was reportedly opened in August '71. The FBI reportedly had received information that the VVAW "was stockpiling weapons," "had been in contact with North Vietnam officials in Paris," was receiving funds from former Communist Party members" as well as "aiding and financing U.S. military deserters." Seems he would want his association with this group out in the open so we "blind fanatics" would quit picking on him.

[island911]

Originally posted by jyl
I'm waiting to see how the Kerry-haters turn his military services records into evidence of cowardice, war crimes, etc. I await the creativity.

I can't say I'm anywhere close to being a Kerry-hater,(he seems rather inconsiquential) but I will point out that they dont need to turn his military services records into evidence of war crimes . . Kerry did that all on his own. . . BIG TIME.

Though there is hope, though. . .you see actually, That 1971 Kerry footage was the same work from the guys who shot the "moon landing" . . .you see; it was all fraud and deception. . . .just like the "moon landing"

[speeder]

Originally posted by fintstone
While he is at it, I would also like to see his FBI records too. There are lots of questions he could answer with those too. Honest men have nothing to hide.

It's interesting that you should say this, Fintstone. The current administration is widely reported to be the most secretive ever, Cheney has been sued for not even revealing who attended his energy policy meetings, it is currently being argued by the Supreme Court.

[Aurel]

Big difference between "all" and "all available." Don't you find it odd that GW realeased approx 150 pgs for his limited duty in th ANG and a "war hero" only realeased abou 120 pgs?

That`s because Kerry has better teeth than Bush. Any other questions I can help you with today ?

Aurel

[VenezianBlau 87]

Were full records released since last Sunday? Stated another way, were the additional records released? Kerry was playing games with the words "the" and "all". There is a difference between "the" records (already released) and "all" records.

[lendaddy]

I never questioned his duty, only his motivations. I think that is true for all of the right-of-centers here. The info I wanted to see is what his wounds were. My theory has always been that he went to bolster his political career, not from a sense of duty. I have read that his wounds were very superficial and that he petitioned for his Purple Hearts to get outta Nam. Now I see he did not release his medical records, hmmm... (or did I miss em?) I admit it is quite a charge to level, and I do not proclaim it as fact. I am suspicious, that's all. Didn't one commander of his claim one of his wounds looked like a fingernail scratch, and said he finally gave in to an unrelentng Kerry's demand for a PH? Could indeed be BS, anybody have more info on that?

[jyl]

Okay, so instead of three Purple Hearts he only gets credit for two. Big deal.

[Beethoven]

Even if he had gone to 'Nam and received three fingenail scratches to get out of the service, that would show more courage than Bush has shown in all of his pampered, boozed up life.

Jeez people, the guy pulled a fellow soldier out of the water under fire while he was wounded himself. You can't even give him that?
And once and for all: the 'war crimes' guy is Bob Kerrey, not John Kerry.

[lendaddy]

jyl,

It goes to the character of the individual, not his medal count. I mean if true you have a guy that says to himself

"Though I am against the war, I'm going to enlist so I will have war history on my record which is good for any politician, then once I get there I will see to it that I get every possible medal availible to me so I can get the hell out and fast"

This does not seem to me to be the thought process of a leader, more so of an opportunist. This to me is worse than someone who would "escape" to Canada, as atleast they were true to their principles. I don't think it's any secret he was against the war, yet he went to better his personal standing, not those of our country or the Vietnamese people. It represents to me that he is indeed what we have been saying, an opportunist who will say/do anything for his own advancement. Again, this is a theory, but its credibility is gaining steam in my mind. If you look at his actions over the years on many public/personal issues, you are starring at a picture of a very selfish/power hungry person.

[lendaddy]

Beethoven

You are correct, while in Nam it appears he was an excellent soldier and I thank and commend him. It's motivations I am concerned about.

And you are wrong, Kerry admitted war crimes in front of congress, yes he did, look it up.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by speeder
It's interesting that you should say this, Fintstone. The current administration is widely reported to be the most secretive ever, Cheney has been sued for not even revealing who attended his energy policy meetings, it is currently being argued by the Supreme Court.

Big difference. Once again, a matter of principle in Cheney's case. Of course the Democrats would not be expected to understand that.

It would be tough to get advice ever again if the folks the Bush or Cheney talked to were revealed to the press. The media would trash them and ruin their reputations, people would write revealing books about them that would be full of half-truths and no matter how much they said it wasn't true, would be reported as such, and democratic operatives would go to their houses and harass their families.

Kerry was a leader of a group that is reported to have discussed plans to assassinate US Congressmen. Seems like he would want the truth exposed if he were not involved.

[lendaddy]

"Kerry was a leader of a group that is reported to have discussed plans to assassinate US Congressmen."

Insert pic of me stepping off the S.S. Flint

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Beethoven

And once and for all: the 'war crimes' guy is Bob Kerrey, not John Kerry.

I would be happy to email you an audio clip of his confession if you would like.

[Beethoven]

You can't be serious, lendaddy. How can you twist a man's bravery against the enemy into a calculated, political manouver, when at the same time the obvious attempt to escape service to his country on Bush's part doesn't bother you at all?
Oh yeah, and all of Kerry's commanders were in on this scam?

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/22/politics/campaign/22DISC.html

I would have thought that bravery, gallantry, and service are values all Americans agree on. Not so. You can't even bring yourself to saying: yes, the guy was brave, and I commend him for it but I still rather vote for Bush because we need more tax cuts. Then we could have a debate. But the values of this country are so eroded that everything becomes suspect of one conspiracy theory or another. This is the most poisoned climate I've ever experienced. And we are going to teach values to others?

[fintstone]

Originally posted by lendaddy
"Kerry was a leader of a group that is reported to have discussed plans to assassinate US Congressmen."

Insert pic of me stepping off the S.S. Flint

Don't necessarily buy it either, but the charges have been made:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/23/kerry.fbi/

and initially he lied about (or forgot) about his attendence until the FBI's list of attendees was made public.
I am just trying to make the point that any conspiracy theory is instantly embraced by the liberals...unless it concerns one of their own or one of America's enemies. Then the questions should never be asked.

[lendaddy]

You can't even bring yourself to saying: yes, the guy was brave, and I commend him for it

Yes I did exactly that.

while in Nam it appears he was an excellent soldier and I thank and commend him.

So......