Have you seen the Nick Berg beheading video?

[bigrubberjeep]

Originally posted by island911
Sorry brj, I thought it would be plenty apparent, even to you, that in the context of suicidal murders, that when I wrote "whole bunch of young men with no hope" I was refering to the al-qaeda soldier, not ours.

Sorry for assuming that you could grasp that. -my bad-

I was not reffeing to our soldiers (My 2 brothers),I was in fact reffering to some of the suicide bombers that have documented family's, children and homes with cattle. Even some business owners.

[lendaddy]

lendaddy - So the simple fact that we are not Muslim makes us infidels?

uh yes, I am starting to think you're not so stupid but just ignorant. That is exactly what it means.

From the dictionary- Note: Infidel is used by English writers to translate the equivalent word used Mohammedans in speaking of Christians and other disbelievers in Mohammedanism.

[bigrubberjeep]

Originally posted by Tshabet
BRJ, if your "human instinct" doesn't account for group hysteria inciting extreme violence, your level of experience in life must be rather limited....in fact, a lot of things about human existence must confuse you.
To use an oft-repeated red herring, why did the nazi's kill millions of jews, homosexuals, communists, mentally retarded, etc? Was it because hitler's mom was raped my a retarded jewish communist homosexual? No. It was because he, and much of the public, hated jews. That's it. There is no more explanation. Sure, some justified it by telling each other that the jews were sacrificing christian babies at passover, but we no that's not true. I'm not asking you to explain nazi hatred of jews to me, so don't try. What I'm trying to get you to see is that nobody got hit first. The hate began of it's own volition. It has happened before, it will happen again, and in the meantime we have guys like you standing on the sidelines demanding an explanation while they try to "reason" through it all. That's a fool's errand, and I don't think I have to point out what that makes you.

Trying to reason through it all makes me a fool?

Then so be it. I will die trying to understand "reason" before I judge anyone .

[bigrubberjeep]

Originally posted by lendaddy
uh yes, I am starting to think you're not so stupid but just ignorant. That is exactly what it means.

From the dictionary- Note: Infidel is used by English writers to translate the equivalent word used Mohammedans in speaking of Christians and other disbelievers in Mohammedanism.

Hey man, no need to insult me for asking for details. Damn!

Explain to me why do we allow muslims to become citizens?

[lendaddy]

I apologize, but you have made me more than a little angry with some of your posts. Just emotions I guess. I am NOT a theologist! I have read some similar stuff in the old testament. I don't claim to understand it, I was simply answering your request for a source. Others here probably have more insight.

[lendaddy]

Just for reference ignorant is not really an insult, I am ignorant of many things.

[Tishabet]

Exodus 35:2 (in the Bible, if you weren't aware) states that if someone works on the sabbath they should be put to death. Obviously, although I consider myself a practicing Christian, I have somehow abstained from killing any of my coworkers who violate this rule. In the same way, the vast majority of Muslims don't kill infidels, although the Koran says they should.

[Icemaster]

Originally posted by bigrubberjeep
lendaddy - So the simple fact that we are not Muslim makes us infidels?

Yes.

Do your homework before opening your mouth again.

[Tishabet]

Originally posted by Icemaster
Yes.

Do your homework before opening your mouth again.

Hear Hear!

[lendaddy]

Tshabet, thats my point. I don't get it.

[bigrubberjeep]

No need for apology lendaddy - I understand emotions are high right now.

My intention are not upset people here.
I just want to hear both sides to every story. I can not judge these people for what they do simply because it was agaist us, I want to know why? What inbeded this hate towards us?

In other words if some one hits me, I will hit them back, but at some point I will want to know why was I hit to begin with?

Were they thought to hit me if they see me just because I don't have their same beleifs?

Or is it in revenge for something I did so long ago that I don't remember?

That i sall I want to know

[lendaddy]

The problem with that theory is that you think they can be sedated or cajoled into letting us be. Some fundamental Muslims hate us for existing. Unless you're willing to stop doing so, you're forced to fight.

[Icemaster]

Originally posted by bigrubberjeep
Explain to me why do we allow muslims to become citizens?

Can you please explain what in the name of Jesus tap-dancing Christ this has to do with anything?

In Principle, our system of government is blind to religion. Remember all that separation of church and state stuff from civics class? That doesn't eliminate religion from being involved in politics, however not (remember...in principle....) MANDATED faith. remember all that Faith Based Initiative furor from a couple of years ago, or were you still in utero then?

Lets turn that around now shall we? Show me a mid-eastern country that is NOT built around religion - Muslim or otherwise...

The irony/hypocrisy of the whole muslim crap can be viewed first hand if you ever wanted to travel to Saudi Arabia during Ramadan - dead during they day due to fasting and penance, but wow. You should see it after the sun goes down. "decadant" lifestyle? Puhleeese.

US Citizenship/muslim - irrelevant.

[bigrubberjeep]

Originally posted by lendaddy
The problem with that theory is that you think they can be sedated or cajoled into letting us be. Some fundamental Muslims hate us for existing. Unless you're willing to stop doing so, you're forced to fight.

Well after reading the last few post I realize that I know much less of the koran then I expected. I will do my research even though I don't expect to understand it even 10% since religion is so complex.

My whole thing here is that I beleive man is good from birth and hate is inbeded, those inbeding tha hate are the ones we should go after.

[island911]

Too late. . .the genie is out of the bottle (so to speak)

THe question now is; what to do with those whom HATE ?

[SRISER]

Originally posted by Tshabet
Exodus 35:2 (in the Bible, if you weren't aware) states that if someone works on the sabbath they should be put to death. Obviously, although I consider myself a practicing Christian, I have somehow abstained from killing any of my coworkers who violate this rule. In the same way, the vast majority of Muslims don't kill infidels, although the Koran says they should.

Those laws are no longer valid with the advent of JC and the new testament. The Muslim "laws" however still are. Big difference.

[SRISER]

DP

[SRISER]

Originally posted by bigrubberjeep
My whole thing here is that I beleive man is good from birth

It's the other way around...

[Tishabet]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Tshabet, thats my point. I don't get it.

Lendaddy- I was replying to BRJ's "Explain to me why do we allow muslims to become citizens?"
I'm in agreement with you

[vash]

Originally posted by bigrubberjeep
Does that mean I would have to replace my 13MPG motor with an electric?

eff that, we drill a big hole in Alaska to fuel our cars. after my master plan, the middle east's biggest source of economy will be to accept payment to store our nuclear waste! it will be tomorrow's UTAH! we make them so poor that we simply show up, and say, "so this osama guy, where is he?" a mob develops to turn the guy over. the payment? a case of water.