The real reason for the war...

[widebody911]

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2000/08/cheney.html

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/30/cheney.halliburton/

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

[on-ramp]

dammit! that kinda throws a damper on things.

and i really believed my government - all along i believed it was for WMDs, to liberate the Iraqi people, and that whole Iraq-Al Qaeda connection and the "war on terrorism".


i'm so naive

[kach22i]

I only know what they tell me.

[widebody911]

And now that word is getting out, the administration is stonewalling....

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8922543.htm

[kach22i]

But...but...but...they were the most qualified company, and it was their turn for a big contract.

[Superman]

Gosh, this is such a surprize and so hard to believe. That politicians would consider influencing the specific decisions made by civil servants. Just unbelievable. And for what. Nothing more than financial and political gain. I think I'd better go lie down.

[Moneyguy1]

I dunno...

Both Cheney and Ashcroft would be welcome at my home but only after I hid the silverware.........

[araine901]

Was there anything new there or just the same anti Cheney/Haliburton dribble? Any new "evidence" that this was the reason for the war?

[widebody911]

Originally posted by araine901
Was there anything new there or just the same anti Cheney/Haliburton dribble? Any new "evidence" that this was the reason for the war?

Is 6/16/2004 new enough for you, or are you just used to the corruption by now?

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11373

[tabs]

Ohhh He11 let's just admit that the USA as a Christian nation is conducting a Crusade against those wogs ahhh rag heads...that call themselves Muslims....Kill em all and let Allahaaaa sort them out....

[araine901]

Was there something else new there. Fraud waste an abuse happen in all companies. Dont get me wrong I think things would be better without haliberton involved, but I am faling to see the quid pro qou link. there is lots of insinuation but I have not seen substance. I have my own feelings on the motivation of the war but have no proof. Just opinion.

[911pcars]

If this wasn't a good reason to go to war, it's a damn good response by one of our connected vendors to take advantage of the opportunity so adroitly and been chosen so selectively.

I'm surprised to hear some of us are so tolerant of fraud, waste and abuse in corporate America. Must be the same guys who are so tolerant of military and government fraud, waste and abuse. Now that's the American way.

Sherwood

[araine901]

Sherwood, is that directed at anyone in particular?

[Moneyguy1]

Now this is merely an observation, not based upon empirical evidence, but it does appear that the undirected comment generally does find its way to the correct person.

Eerie, ain't it?

(twilight zone theme....)

[BGCarrera32]

Originally posted by 911pcars
I'm surprised to hear some of us are so tolerant of fraud, waste and abuse in corporate America. Must be the same guys who are so tolerant of military and government fraud, waste and abuse. Now that's the American way.

Sherwood

I'm tolerant of it just like I'm tolerant of California because ultimately, substantially more good comes out of it than bad. Nothings perfect. Its funny how quick you are to bash corporate America when it provides many with the opportunity to earn a decent income and own the finer things in life, like say, a Porsche. And said Porsche owner buys a little gate shift kit. Best think twice before you're off and alienating your target market...

[911pcars]

"I'm tolerant of it just like I'm tolerant of California because ultimately, substantially more good comes out of it than bad. Nothings perfect. Its funny how quick you are to bash corporate America when it provides many with the opportunity to earn a decent income and own the finer things in life, like say, a Porsche. And said Porsche owner buys a little gate shift kit. Best think twice before you're off and alienating your target market..."

BGCarrera,
Sorry to hear you're so accepting of corporate and government fraud, waste and abuse. Perhaps I'm being too idealistic to hope that our tax money gets used for its intended purpose. BTW, I wasn't referring to inefficiencies but fraud. Inefficiency I can deal with to a certain extent. I don't know about you, but I don't derive any benefits from Halliburton's alledged illegal practices. If your rationale is higher employment, better lifestyle and more money in circulation, then you've got a point. Then let's welcome the Mafia and other organized crime into mainstream America. Let me know if I've overlooked something.

If you derive a life style from illicit profits and you can rationalize that aspect of your life, join the many others in this country who do the same. But I've got a basic problem with such practices to line the pockets of politicians and their corporate partners with my (your) hard-earned money (I assume your money is hard-earned). I'm not okay with it and you are. OK, I know where you stand. I hope I didn't put any words in your mouth.

I understand you and others may not agree with me and thus boycott what I sell. That's the risk I take when I post in this forum without benefit of a pseudonym. I prefer that not happen but I understand.

Have a nice day,
Sherwood

[BGCarrera32]

Sherwood,

I actually agree with a lot of what you say. Where the line gets drawn is this (and subsequently getting at my original point):

"If you derive a life style from illicit profits and you can rationalize that aspect of your life, join the many others in this country who do the same. "

I for one do not believe for a second that because we had Enron, WorldCom, and the supposed backdoor Halliburton deals that ALL companies, all CEO's, their shareholders and ALL employees are money sucking outsourcing criminals commiting fraud as sooooo many of the OT posts imply on this forum. That is just plain wrong and gets a little old. The majority of Americans in business are honest hard working people. I tend to think a small percentage of the workforce has some ethics issues that create problems and a big media frenzy for the rest of us. I for one am tired of the constant bashing of everything business related in this country and how its evil and opressing the man and all that crap. I get irritated when I get taken in the market by fradulent activity of a company just like anyone else would. But to imply that this is a widespread "every corporate entity is crooked" problem is stretching it an awfully long way.

I for one own a shift kit of yours and like it. Wouldn't boycott you for your thoughts. But the bashing of the "corporate" environment I work for gets a little tiresome as they are my source of income.

-BG

[911pcars]

BGCarrera,
I did not intend to bash all of corporate America. That would be like bashing all of liberal or conservative America (just some :-)). I wanted to direct my anger at those corporations (you named them and there are many more) who allow their objectives of making money cloud their ethical behavior in that quest, especially those in collusion with govt. entities. The Enron and Halliburton numbers are staggering if you've seen the figures.

I think we're in agreement. Thanks for clarifying that.

Sherwood

[tabs]

NO Sherwood we boycotte what you sell because you are who you are...NAH...

[techweenie]

The military-industrial complex is always feeding at the trough when we throw billions at defense and offense and 'nation building.' Trigger-happy presidents are usually the biggest recipients of their investment.

Some of those corporations are corrupt, but it's not only some corporations.

Some departments of the government are flagged as unreliable bookeepers.

This article is too big to paste here, but worth reading.

The Pentagon cannot account for $1,100,000,000,000(!!!)

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http://articles.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_2003_Sept_2/ai_106909386