Why Michael Moorer is a FK O

[tabs]

Watched MM on C Rose tonight...seem that his real pet pieve is that "the Media didn't ask the hard questions that could have prevented the USA from going to war."

Ohhhh Pleeze Michael since when is it the Media's job to ask the hard questions....The media never revealed JFK's reckless behavior, never reported that the Maine blew up because of a fire in a coal bunker.....The Media's job is to sell newspapers....and if it bleeds it leads...

Have any of you ever watched a larry King or Baba Wawa interview? Pablum folks pure and simple pablum. end of story.

Upon reflecting about why the government let those 142 Saudi Royals leave the country...

The USA is between a rock and hard place. On one hand the USA is supporting a "Dictatorship/Police State in Saudi, yet to give power to the people is to have a fundlmentalist Muslim go vernment take the placew of the Saudi Royals. It's a case of having bread or ideals for breakfast.

Third MM thought Busy looked like a "Deer in the headlights" when he was told of 911. I saw something different in the footage of Bushy on 911. He looked determined, and ANYBODY with as scant of information as was given to him would look confused to...

[Purrybonker]

Come on Tabs - the Fifth Estate is an essential part of the democratic process. And it has failed the USA miserably in the last coupla years. It is exactly the job of the press to deeply, seriously challenge and question the actions of government, not to play lapdog to the Oval Office in a manner not demonstrated by any body as significant as CNN since WW2.

Watch the news for a few days, any days from both the BBC (or Canada's CBC) and CNN and the differences become obvious. It's exactly the failure of the US press that has given traction to the likes of Micheal Moore.

If the press had been more objective up to this point, Moore would just be another cow chewing old cud for crap's sake...

[Neilk]

Re: Bush and his Pet Goat.

Anybody who was Presidential would have gotten up and left the classroom upon hearing the second WTC had been hit. Instead he sat there reading a children's book. Perhaps he was determined to read his first book since entering the White House. We all know he didn't read the newspaper nor any of his briefings.

[turbo6bar]

Originally posted by Neilk
Anybody who was Presidential would have gotten up and left the classroom upon hearing the second WTC had been hit.

Why?

[on-ramp]

Originally posted by turbo6bar
Why?

because the citizens of your country are dying in the thousands...

let's say you're a parent at work and you hear that your child is in harms way, you leave work IMMEDIATELY and run to your child to help....

with a little intelligence, you can understand my analogy.

[joeclarke]

Originally posted by Purrybonker
Come on Tabs - the Fifth Estate is an essential part of the democratic process. And it has failed the USA miserably in the last coupla years. It is exactly the job of the press to deeply, seriously challenge and question the actions of government, not to play lapdog to the Oval Office in a manner not demonstrated by any body as significant as CNN since WW2.

Watch the news for a few days, any days from both the BBC (or Canada's CBC) and CNN and the differences become obvious. It's exactly the failure of the US press that has given traction to the likes of Micheal Moore.

If the press had been more objective up to this point, Moore would just be another cow chewing old cud for crap's sake...

Yep - that's exactly correct... I have nothing to add to that brilliant statement, except...

What's an FK O?

[Neilk]

Originally posted by turbo6bar
Why?

There's a national emergency and you sit there reading a children's book to yourself? Please

[Superman]

I like Tabs and his posts, but I have to agree with everyone else here. It is the President's job to deal with stuff like attacks on America, and it's not something I want him to do "when he gets around to it" or "when it's convenient." He's supposedly the President of the United States of
America for cryin' out loud. As I've said before, I expect no less than full-on leadership from the person in that position. If we had the right guy in that office, footage of the President's being informed about the most horrific single attack on civilians in probably the history of the world would have been an instructional video on how to be a leader. Of course, the video would be ineffective since you cannot teach leadership. Management, yes. Leadership, no.

And yes, it is precisely the job of the media to ask the hard questions and if they were doing their job, MM would not even be interesting, and "government secrets" would be an oxymoron instead of a presidential strategy.

[BGCarrera32]

Originally posted by Neilk
Re: Bush and his Pet Goat.

Anybody who was Presidential would have gotten up and left the classroom upon hearing the second WTC had been hit. Instead he sat there reading a children's book. Perhaps he was determined to read his first book since entering the White House.

That is the most moronic comment I've read on here to date...you act like he sat there for the next 4 hours...would've been far better had he jumped up screaming and running for ya...

We all know he didn't read the newspaper nor any of his briefings.

Ya know I just have a sneaky suspicion that regardless of who is President that they read the paper...take a reality pill dude.

[joeclarke]

If we had the right guy in that office, footage of the President's being informed about the most horrific single attack on civilians in probably the history of the world

...the Japanese might argue that.

I respectfully disagree with your expectations about a President's reaction to tragedy. I have no problem with a leader behaving like a human being. I don't think George's reaction to the news was unreasonable at all. It's what happens later in the cold light of day that matters.

[cmccuist]

This idea that the president needs to read the paper to be informed kills me! Doonesberry and Maureen Dowd and the like have been mocking W about this forever. What could a fishwrap possibly contribute to the president's data base? As if the president doesn't have access to intelligence that is over and above what is available to reporters.

I can just picture in my mind W going into a briefing with his advisers and after it's all said and done he says "wait a minute Wolfy and Rummy, I need more information. Let's see what the New York Times has to say about Iraq." How arrogant do the fish hacks have to be to consider themselves part of the decision making process?!? Pathetic.

As a source of the pulse of the public, they can't even get that right. Is anyone except the press and the Dems still gripping about the prisoner abuse? Prisoners with bags over their head building a naked pyramid. Humiliating, sure, but it's a long way from torture. The NYT's has run 50 front page stories about that one.

They ran over 70 front page stories about the absence of women members at Augusta. WTF? Who picks these stories? Where's an editor when you need one?

Craig

[Moses]

Originally posted by Neilk
...Instead he sat there reading a children's book...

I like a president who can stay focused.

Reminds me of Clinton getting a hummer in the oval office while Yasser Arafat tapped his toes waiting in the lobby.

Yes sir, I like a president who can stay focused. Even if it's the Cat in the Hat.

[singpilot]

I agree.

If I had just gotten a sloppy hummer in the hallway, and then had to look at Yassar and his quivering lip, I would have lost it.

I know that is not PC, but to understand terrorism, you have to understand Yassar. Anyone remember the '67 six-day war?

[techweenie]

It's hilarious to see people try to rationalize that dolt sitting in a classroom after being informed "America is under attack."

No man would just sit there. No real leader would just sit there. Only somebody who felt powerless or was unaware that he had a role would just sit there for nearly seven minutes.

Anyone else would have gotten up, excused himself, left the room and taken command of the situation, using communication systems that are always with the President when travelling to confer with the Vice President, the Secretary of Defense, the Mayor of New York, the Pentagon, NORAD, the Secretary of transportation, the FBI, the CIA...

Any real man would have wanted to be there when the answers started coming in. Would have wanted to formulate a plan of action.

If you've ever been in a group where somebody drowned or was injured, you'd have seen the people who have leadership qualities stepping up to take action. Often, they are military-trained. They are always prepared to 'take it personally' and take action.

No, that seven minutes of 'deer in the headlights' will lose GWB the election and condemn him to the 'dustbin of history' as an empty-headed fool.

[turbocarrera]

Bush was told of the 1st plane hitting the WTC(where terrorists had tried to destroy it 8 years earlier) before entering the Florida school but he decides to continue with the photo-op, all the while he was aware of a CIA briefing – “bin Laden determined to attack inside the US” which told of al-Qaida’s plan of using hijacked airplanes in the attack.

Would any reasonable leader, armed with the intel in that CIA briefing, knowing that the same building had been attacked not long ago, even gone ahead with reading with the children? He is incompetent.

[Moneyguy1]

Why leave the classroom?

1. To appear to "take charge", look presidential and reassure the public

2. To make sure that the military is on the job in case these were just two of many

These are important. People react positively to positive actions in a crisis situation. The folks on the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania will always be heroes. How many lives did their sacrifice save?

[cmccuist]

Then he left the school and invaded two countries, cleaning out a sick theocracy (the taliban) and an even sicker dictatorship (Saddam) in the process.

As incompetent as he is, he still has the world swinging from his nuts right about now. I think the left dislikes Bush more than the right disliked Clinton. Clinton would cave if it looked like the public wanted it a certain way. W flat doesn't give a rat's ass what the public wants. I think the Iron Lady said it best - consensus is the absence of leadership. W's not looking for a worldwide agreement, he's looking to kill as many terrorists as possible.

Once again I ask, if he's such an idiot, why can't the left beat him down? From the time he decided to become governor of Texas, he's won at everything he's tried. Ann Richards was the absolute darling of the Democrats and she got worked like an old whore. How did that happen? (easy lefties, i like Ann Richards. She is a great lady who did a lot of good - and bad - for Texas).

Al Gore should have won easily, what with the economy and the press behind him, but W turned him into a raving lunatic (you know it's true, algore is a madman).

Kerry should be running away with this thing, but everytime he opens his mouth, his poll numbers drop.

Prediction, Bush will win, and it wont be close. The polls will show Kerry ahead, but W will win with a 5-10 point margin.

Disclaimer, I voted for Jimmy Carter and Ross Perot!! so I don't have a good track record in presidential races.

Craig

[turbocarrera]

While Bush was the Governor of Texas, the leaders of the Taliban came to Houston to meet with executives of the Unocal to discuss the building of a natural gas pipeline from the Caspian Sea, through Afghanistan, to the Gulf of Oman. The drilling contract to supply it was awarded to Halliburton. In the spring of 2001, knowing that they harbored the attacker of the USS Cole and US Embassies in Africa, a Taliban special envoy was invited to Washington by the State Department to help raise their image in America.

You mean that Taliban?

[cmccuist]

That's the one I'm talking about. The taliban that is now living in caves on the Pakistani border. I don't think thier special envoy will be visiting the white house any time soon, now that their country has been invaded and most of thier leader killed.

Craig

[techweenie]

What troubles me is that by many accounts, the Bush Administration was preparing to write a $43 million check to the Taliban in May, 2001. for whatever reason, they did not.

My understanding is that the check was to secure permission for the oil/gas pipeline to cross Afghanistan.

About that time. John Walker Lindh joined forces that supported the Taliban. Yet he was somehow a 'traitor' joining a group that was friendly to the US. And the Bush Administration has never taken any real heat from the mainstream press for being chummy with the Taliban while they were known to be sheltering OBL.