I sure hope this pentagon report is wrong . .

[350HP930]

Its sad to think that zero population growth, energy conservation and the creation of renewable energy sources could make this all a non issue but unfortunately the part of our economy related to 'growth' is so big the powers that be will fight reasonable measures such as these with everthing they've got.

I think its pretty clear which interests the bush administration represents.

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by 350HP930
I think its pretty clear which interests the bush administration represents.

Ya, it is those polluting, family values, Christian, Bible reading right-wingers that are the ones to fear.

"We have wished, we ecofreaks, for a disaster or for a social change to come and bomb us into Stone Age, where we might live like Indians in our valley, with our localism, our appropriate technology, our gardens, our homemade religion -- guilt-free at last!" -- Stewart Brand (writing in the Whole Earth Catalogue)

"Free Enterprise really means rich people get richer. They have the freedom to exploit and psychologically rape their fellow human beings in the process . . . Capitalism is destroying the earth." -- Helen Caldicott, Union of Concerned Scientists

"We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects . . . We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres of presently settled land." -- David Foreman, Earth First!

"Everything we have developed over the last 100 years should be destroyed." -- Pentti Linkola


I have more...You want more?

[lendaddy]

Sounds like a bunch of well meaning rooted-in-reality type folks to me, where's the problem Mull

[ubiquity0]

I prefer this one:
Cannibalism is a "radical but realistic solution to the problem of overpopulation." -- Lyall Watson, The Financial Times, 15 July 1995

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Sounds like a bunch of well meaning rooted-in-reality type folks to me, where's the problem Mull

Well, apparently I didn't convince you...Let me try again...

"I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems." -- John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

"Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs." -- John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

"The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing....This is not to say that the rise of human civilization is insignificant, but there is no way of showing that it will be much help to the world in the long run." -- Economist editorial

"We advocate biodiversity for biodiversity’s sake. It may take our extinction to set things straight" -- David Foreman, Earth First!


I got more, you want more?

[Mulholland]

[CamB]

For the "global warming is a hoax" guys, what would your answer to the following be:

Human activity at its current level, specifically as it contributes to global warming and through the consumption of non-renewable resources, will lead to severe consequences over the next 20 to 200 years.

Do you think - yes, it is possible, or no, it is not possible?

[CamB]

Originally posted by Mulholland
Silly peace morphing into Nazi sign

What does a peace sign have to do with climate change?

[ubiquity0]

Is your point that you believe the Nazi idealogy was an essentially peaceful one? I think you need to start a new thread- it has nothing to do with the topic posted?

[lendaddy]

"Do you think - yes, it is possible, or no, it is not possible?"

Anything is possible, but no it's not likely. Even if true, you could only hope to slow it down, never end it. But again, you give us too much credit as to our ability to affect the environment.

[lendaddy]

I will say that we shouldn't have destroyed all of the rainforests by 1990, that really sucked! Oh wait that didn't happen either??? Damnit I'm battin .000 tonight

[bell]

"soylent green is made from people".....................that's all i have to say about that.
but when it comes down to it.....only those who can truely survive when cnn and the world economy/infrastucture is gone will make it.........period.
does everyone know how they would survive? remember when people freaked out when the power went out?
who is truely prepared for the moment something of that scale happens?
can't live life relying on the government..........

[speeder]

It's always interesting to see how the right wing rises to the challenge of something as daunting as attacking environmentalism. "Not for the faint of heart, but someone has got to do it."

Denis, You'll find a lot more of us righties becoming environmentally sensitive as soon as it becomes profitable. That'll be another way that Veep Cheney and I can rape and pillage.

God I love this country!!!!!!

[speeder]

Mark, You are far to good of an All-American, dog-loving Texan who drives fast to associate yourself w/ that scumbag. Do you really think that he puts the average American's interests first?

[fintstone]

You guys really can't be serious this time!

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by CamB
What does a peace sign have to do with climate change?

Cam, look at the color of the gif file...The genius of the animation is it is true and wraps it up in a nice little package.

[CamB]

Personally, I don't believe the article, but I do believe that we are continuing to create a serious problem for future generations. I think that is crap, and would prefer to see plans at the government level of ALL nations to address the situation.

Bush won't do it though - being famously quoted in reference to a certain environmental issue "The American way of life is not negotiable".

Personally, I'm more worried about whether it is sustainable.

[araine901]

Cam: regarding you answer to your global warming question. I will give my answer when someone can explain how my house can be next to a "100 year" flood zone. apperently every 100ish years there is a flood. What caused it 100 years ago SUV's? Mid 60's hotrods and Porsches? And the 100 years before that, what cuased that? Global warming? I pay flood insurnace to live in a "100 Year flood zone" If my wifes SUV is going to cuase the next one, what cuased the last one?

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by ubiquity0 Is your point that you believe the Nazi idealogy was an essentially peaceful one? I think you need to start a new thread- it has nothing to do with the topic posted?

My point is the greenies and the peace-niks are very often (not always but predominantly) liars and agenda driven little dictators who will make life miserable for anyone who doesn't agree with their lies...They will force environmental regulations that strangle jobs and the economy. They will falsely demonize capitalism, like the Nazis (lest we forget National Socialist Workers Party) and create class-warfare and race-hate in order to achieve their overall objective of utopia.