Kerry exposed! Interview with John O'Neil
 

This interview of Mr. O'Neil is pretty convincing:

http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/oneill01.htm

He basically paints a picture of Kerry lying about everything, and convincing others to lie for him.

If you believe that, you could also believe that the SBVfT are a group which is lying about eveything, and has convinced other to lie with them.

I still reckon the truth remains untold. Plus, O'Neil is DEFINITELY a man with a grudge (both in what he says, and the fact he has been pursuing it for 20+ years). Seriously, read what he says and there is NO WAY that every word he says is 100% true.

His interview sounds much more plausible than Kerry's story to me.

Who has more to gain from lying ...Kerry or O'Neil?

We already know Kerry is a liar....about atrocities he witnessed, about being in Cambodia...heck, he even lied about not having an SUV!

Every interview I have seen with Mr. O'Neil convinces me more and more that he is a very angry man. Intelligent, but very angry. I would not want to be on his bad side if he holds a grudge from the Nixon years till today. The entire episode is a "He said, he said" sort of thing; just enough to muddy up the waters. Like many others, I respect the service of these men on both sides. However, it would appear that Mr. O'Neil has a definite agenda. What it is and why I have no idea. He just makes me uncomfortable. There is something there under all that controlled hate.

There really is no way to be sure who is telling the entire truth, but from what I'm seeing, this is likely a direct vendetta over K's anti-war activities when he got back. It looks like K went over, was a bit of a loose cannon, came back at the first opportunity and then joined the protesters to start a political career. If this scenario is correct, then I can see why Vietnam vets would have little love for K and they would view him as an opportunistic rat. Either way, I don't think all the truth is being told and all K has to do to silence a lot of it is file Form 180 and release all of the records, which he hasn't at this time. The stuff on his website is a synopsis by some of his supporters. Also on K's website, his DD214 is showing that his SS had a V device for Valor. This is incorrect according to how medals are awarded. It's either a clerical error by the Defense Dept. or someone is monkeying with the records to make K look better than he really is. At this point, I'm more and more convinced that the truth lies much closer to O'Neill than Kerry.

As far as who is telling the truth.

Oneil said both he and any of the other vets would be HAPPY to take a lie detector test. Hmm pretty bold huh.

Whether I think your post is spot-on, on not:cool: .. . how could you see the BS/agenda in O'neil. . .but not see it in Kerry? How can you conclude that O'neil is lying, but give Kerry a pass?

Kerry has a record of spinning his own version of reality . . .and not for the good of anyone, but Kerry.

He is the worst of all poiticians. He does not work in good-faith. He doesn't really work. He simply fabricates a convenient story.

He reminds me of a poster here. . . Spankee. "ooh. . .I'm an ex CIA guy .. . I have special inside info . . . you guys seem nice so I'll help you out. . .wait for the info soon. . .did I tell you I was an ex-FBI man? so I know all about police tactics .. .I was wounded as a cop . .. . ..because I was in the CIA, on secret missions in Cambodia.:rolleyes:

Kerry is a JOKE! . . a delusional, disingenuous, lazy class-A BOOB!

To talk about O'neil, or Bush, or (?) without conceeding Kerry is an "empty suit" hung on a delusional hook, is disingenuous itself.

funny, a lot of people feel that way about dubbya...

yaya. . .thread on Kerry = idealogically bankrupt lib' inserts "b'b'bbut wadda 'bout Boosh/" :rolleyes:

d'ya think that we might get it by now?

Kerrys got nut'n but bash.

To quote Citizen Kane..."People believe what I tell them to believe." (regarding the media's power)

There are a lot of fools out there Mat, as evidenced by Florida voters who couldn't figer out the ballot (BS I know, but makes my point).

Bravo!....(alas, pearls before swine)

Travis Walton said he was abducted by aliens in the 1970s. 5 people saw it and they all passed a lie dectotor tests.

So either aliens exist or massive groups can lie and pass them. Think about it.

I think we can put this issue to sleep, the SBVFT have been proven wrong about 20 times now. It was slanderous and false from the start and will continue to be so.

Its a great tactic though, one that has been used by McCarthy and the first Bush. Make claims that are outrageous but difficult to prove. By the time the truth comes out the damage is done.

Besides, when John McCain says its wrong, I believe him.

Testimony about attrocities: http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docid=244

Cambodia: http://www.slate.com/Default.aspx?id=2105529&

Veteran backs Kerry on details:
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/08/23/swift_boat_veteran_backs_kerry_on_details_of_1969_ ambush/

Let me guess . . .a red ufo?

. . .and you're a "space alien" who has been monitoring Travis Walton ever since you gave him your "alien probe" ? :rolleyes:

Thanks for coming back to topic. :)

So what does John McCain say about Kerry bragging about Kerrys Vietnam "heroism" ?

Exactly.

The republican tactic is: If you can't win on a issue you muddy the waters so bad the issue is dropped. They consider it a win because the democrats can't get a point across and win if the issue is nuked completely.


The swiftboat thing is just a distraction so people don't debate on Bush falsely taking the country to war and impeach him.

254 Swifties are wrong huh?...Kerry lied about attrocities, lied about medals, lied about throwing medals away in contempt, lied about Cambodia, lied about Nixon sending him to Cambodia...and the Swifties are wrong?

The 254 are not salaried...Kerry's Swifties ARE salaried...The 254 are not running for office...Kerry IS running for office...The 254 didn't cut and run at first opportunity...Kerry DID cut and run at the first opportunity.

This is classic snake-in-the-grass defense attorney strategy...Confuse the subject by attacking the messenger and ignoring the facts.
What tactic was employed by McCarthy?...You do know that McCarthy was vindicated with the 1995 release of the Venona Project don't you?
John McCainiac didn't serve with sKerry (after all isn't that Kerry's attack on the Swifties?...they weren't on his boat?)...McCainiac has been wrong before (see campaign finance reform/Keating-5)


Why is John Kerry attacking Vietnam Veterans, threatening them and falsely accusing them of lying?...Bush hasn't done that every time Kerry lies or the NAACP ties Bush to the dragging death of James Byrd.

I don't care if Kerry lied about medals.

What I do care about is a president that lies and takes the nation to war, much, much worse offense.. If Bush wins, they will impeach him for it.

"I think we can put this issue to sleep, the SBVFT have been proven wrong about 20 times now. It was slanderous and false from the start and will continue to be so. "

Ok, I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here. Give me ONE just ONE thing they have been PROVEN wrong on. Keep in mind that Kerry has already been forced to change his Cambodia story and the story on his first Purple Heart. Again, ONE.

Boy, there are some passionate people on here.

Ill give you 4:

"Ad features vets who claim Kerry "lied" to get Vietnam medals. But other witnesses disagree -- and so do Navy records."
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=231

"Anti-Kerry Ad Misses Context, Distorts Facts"
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=209

"More Bush Distortions of Kerry Defense Record"
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=177

"Kerry’s Attack Video Misleads on Veterans, Jobs"
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=149

And I'll make a counter argument:

Prove to me that GW didn't go AWOL.

AWOL is a specific charge ending in dishonorable discharge...I doubt highly his father the WWII veteran was coaching junior on how to go AWOL...Doesn't pass the smell test.

Now, why doesn't Kerry release his records? (as Bush has)

Why is it okay to talk about Bush not being AWOL for 4 years, but it is off limits to scrutinize Kerry?

Easy! Just use your same approach. Govt documents say so! Did he ever get charged as awol? NO! Did he ever get convicted as AWOL? NO. In the immortal words of Sargent Preston of the Yukon, "this case is closed King."

i think you'll believe Kerry is a phony no matter what the facts may be

Lol,

You give me editorials as "proof". That's a good one. Try in your own words next time. As a hint, facts are helpful. The "official" navy records are based on Kerry's accounts, so I would hope they agree:)

Dang, I thought it was going to be more pix like this:

http://www.ulrp2.com/photos/risque/graphics/akerry.jpg

And your source for this silly comment is what?

And you provide what? A Republican insider-funded emotional attack by veterans who were not on Kerry's boat and who have changed their stories several times? Most of these guys are just pissed that Kerry pointed out what a stupid and wasteful war it was.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5751284/

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0820041kerry1.html

Since you guys never seem to be able to click on links, here's the salient part of the above link (again) written by George Elliott.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1093460218.jpg

Tech you are just wrong. None of them have changed their stories on what happened over there not one, not once. You are reffereing to Elliot saying he shouldn't have signed the letter that is all. When you fail to find an instance of them changing their recolection of what happened I'll assume you agree:)

As far as Elliot's "gleaming" review of Kerry. I listened to Elliot in an interview. He said EVERYONE got those and they were all simliar, saying any less was considered bad for moral and was generally just not done. He said if you look at a variety of those which he wrote, Kerry's would be in the bottom half of how posative they got.

So, I'll sit back and wait for the "changed stories".

Sure they have Len.. there's a clip from one of the guys in the SBVFT ad.. in '98 he says Kerry acted with amazing courage.. called Kerry a hero..

If in some vague way you want to call that changing his story on what happened in Vietnam, I guess you got me. I am speaking to actual events, you know reality, facts, that of non-opinion.

Thurlow has changed his story. Now he says he wasn't under fire as it says on his citation; that he didn't 'read his citation' and has since lost his citation and refuses to release his records...

Thurlow was the senior officer in the action and would normally have had the responsibility for the write-up for all three of the medals earned that day (including one for him).

Elliott signed the commendation, and he can say anything he wants about it now, but there's his signature, under a specific description of actions meriting an award. No senior officer worth his salt signs citations without reading and approving them.

He gave at least one interview saying his SBVfT involvement was a 'terrible mistake' before he clammed up.

O'Neill is slimier still "I was on Kerry's boat" turns into: I was on the boat John Kerry had previously commanded. In other words, he was not on Kerry's boat.

No question these guys are pissed about Kerry's anti-Vietnam war stance, but they can't change what happened; they can't excuse what they said, and they can't foist it all off on some 'vast Kerry conspiracy' to get awards.

Some quotes from guys actually on Kerry's boat:

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"In 1969, I was Sen. Kerry's gun mate atop of the Swift boat in Vietnam. And I just wanted to let everyone know that, contrary to all the rumors that you might hear from the other side, Sen. Kerry's blood is red, not blue. I know, I've seen it.

"If it weren't for Sen. John Kerry, on the 28th of February 1969, the day he won the Silver Star . . . you and I would not be having this conversation. My name would be on a long, black wall in Washington, D.C. I saw this man save my life."3

— Fred Short

"I can still see him now, standing in the doorway of the pilothouse, firing his M-16, shouting orders through the smoke and chaos . . . Even wounded, or confronting sights no man should ever have to see, he never lost his cool.

I had to sit on my hands [after a firefight], I was shaking so hard . . . He went to every man on that boat and put his arm around them and asked them how they're doing. I've never had an officer do that before or since. That's the mettle of the man, John Kerry."3

— David Alston

"What I saw back then [in Vietnam] was a guy with genuine caring and leadership ability who was aggressive when he had to be. What I see now is a guy who's not afraid to tackle tough issues. And he knows what the consequences are of putting people's kids in harm's way."2

— James Wasser

So calling a guy a hero and courageous - then calling him a liar and a coward - isn't changing your story? oi

Tech, your twisting what Elliot said. He said he shouldn't have signed the letter saying Kerry didn't deserve the Purlple heart. That's it. Not that he regretting being involved in the SBVfT movement. He said since he was not there during the event he cannot claim whether Kerry deserved it or not. He's was being gasp...honest.

Liberals don't want/can't handle the truth. They'd rather have Flipper or anyone else other than W because thier hatred for W blinds rational thought.

Rational thought creates hatred for Bush.

Not hardly, I'm not wild about Bush, but he's a darn sight better choice the 57 Flip Flopper who voted for it before voting against it, who can't understand why Vietnam vets might have a bone to pick with him.

No kidding. Talk about out of touch.

Kerry is living in his own private Idaho. . .757 . . whatever.

That's not the way I read Elliott's comments. Signing something and then saying later you wish you hadn't seems like changing your story.

... but let's just say that's what he meant and set Elliott aside for the moment.

What do you have to say about Thurlow & O'Neill?