Did anyone see Kerry's Midnight Address?

Rot 911 · 09-03-2004, 09:02 AM

After the convention? Just saw parts of it on the news this morning. For a guy that keeps saying he doesn't want to make his military record part of the election, he sure kept bringing it up alot.

cowtown · 09-03-2004, 09:26 AM

Cheap grandstanding right after the GOP convention's lights went out. Desperately trying to look too tough, too late.

I fail to understand how his four month service (and heroic behavior, which I do not dispute) "qualifies me to be Commander in Chief." Oh really? You still haven't disclosed your detailed plans for Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, N. Korea, etc. etc. etc. Or discussed your 20 year Senate record.

"This country needs leadership!"

928ram · 09-03-2004, 09:27 AM

I was going to stay up until I saw the press notes; looked like he was going to fight the Viet Nam war..again..

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

Kerry's service was not just 4 months.

I believe he has talked in some detail about Iraq, down to the number of troops he believes are required.

araine901 · araine901's Garage

combat service was 4 months. I dont belive the Gridly was deployed forward when he was abord. But just going from memory.

bryanthompson · bryanthompson's Garage

Feb. 18, 1966 - Kerry enlists with the US Navval Reserve. Status-"inactive"

Spring 1966 - Kerry delivers anti-war oration at Yale

august 19, 1966 - reports to OCS in Rhode Island

Dec 15, 1966 - commissioned ensign - status "active"

June 1967-june 1968 - served on USS Gridley

june 1967-nov 1967 - gridley operates on the california coast

nov 1967 - dec 1967 - gridley sails to the pacific and operates off the cost of vietnam (about 5 weeks)

jan 2, 1968 - june 8 1968 - gridley sails to australia and returns to long beach, cali.

nov 17, 1968 - ordered to squadron one, coastal division 14, cam ranh bay, South Vietnam.

Gridley was in Cali, sailing to the coast off vietnam, then to australia and back to Long Beach.

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

I'm unclear on what you're trying to say.

Kerry served on active duty from August '66 thorugh January 1970, but you don't think anything counts except 4 months in Swift Boats?

ubiquity0 · 09-03-2004, 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by cowtown
You [Kerry] still haven't disclosed your detailed plans for Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, N. Korea, etc. etc. etc.

"This country needs leadership!"

Bush hasn't disclosed any detailed plans either. There is a very vague set of goals such as 'democracy to the Middle East', 'liberating the people of Iraq'. Afghanistan... nothing in detail. Other than 'Bin Laden is not a priority'. Iran? No detailed statement that I can remember. North Korea?

I'm sure Bush has been presented multiple scenarios for each issue & assume is proceeding based on his evaluation of this info. What do you expect Kerry to divulge? Some detailed invasion plan for North Korea? A devious scheme to make Iran capitalist through subliminal advertising?

dd74 · 09-03-2004, 11:09 AM

C'mon Ubiquity, you're going too fast. Let's just overthrow one country at a time.

Rot 911 · 09-03-2004, 11:26 AM

I think Kerry made a huge mistake when he said this last night: He said:

"I will not have my committment to defend this country questioned by those who refused to serve when they had the chance."

Do we really need to continue with the campaign, or does he have the sense to realize how badly he's going to regret those words and try to backpedal?

dd74 · 09-03-2004, 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by Kurt V
I think Kerry made a huge mistake when he said this last night: He said:

"I will not have my committment to defend this country questioned by those who refused to serve when they had the chance."

Do we really need to continue with the campaign, or does he have the sense to realize how badly he's going to regret those words and try to backpedal?

Face it, he's a moron. So's the other guy, for that matter. But you're correct; that was a regretable statement. The issue is Kerry needs to define what "serve" is. One can be in the Nat'l Guard and "serve." Or one can kill enemies and say, "I served." As far as "refused to serve," well...that's an unfortunate construct right there.

cowtown · 09-03-2004, 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by dd74
Face it, he's a moron. So's the other guy, for that matter.

Yep. I'm sticking with the moron I know. I'm not thrilled about it, but maybe '08 will give us a better crop of idealogues.

RickM · RickM's Garage

Hmm, Giuliani and McCain would be an interesting partnership. However neither would want the back seat.

flyenby · 09-03-2004, 07:27 PM

Maybe KERRY can fix it all in four months like he did in VIET NAM, and then sell everybody out when he leaves.............

fintstone · fintstone's Garage

Too bad the deferment that Kerry applied for was disapproved. He would not have to contend with this issue....Of course we may have actually won in Vietnam without his treasonous activity after his short service.

fintstone · fintstone's Garage

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Originally posted by techweenie
I'm unclear on what you're trying to say.

Kerry served on active duty from August '66 thorugh January 1970, but you don't think anything counts except 4 months in Swift Boats?

Gosh, if 4 years as a junior officer qualifies one for president...why didn't you guys nominate that goofy liberal general that was running against Kerry for the democratic nominee? At least he didn't protest in support of the enemy.