Pretty ***king sick if this is true... (Investigation of Marines shooting prisoners)

[Mule]

You miss the point Len, thes P'sOS hate America & any excuse will do to trash the USA.

[BigD9146gt]

Originally posted by klaucke
Wow. That's some heavily racist, nationalistic, dangerous idealogy. To me it sounds a lot like a Nazi refering to Jews.

"Sounds a lot like..." The Nazi's wanted all of them dead, they needed to blame someone for when they messed up so bad in the first WW and got stuck with the bill. You ever been to Dachau? Ive been. How about Auschwitz? I don;t recall sending US kiln makers for burning wemon and childern. Ya, that was a pretty bolt statement he made, but try not to generalize to much on his part.

It seems to me that New Zealand's foreign policy steps on a lot less toes than ours- I highly doubt any terrorist faction has ill feelings towards NZ nevermind an agenda regarding them. Isn't it funny how countries that don't get people pissed off with biased foreign policy don't get themselves into trouble? Yea, that's right, people dieing in Iraq is trouble. The admin made it sound like we'd walk right in and they would rejoice- apparently not.

War is hell (just a reminder). High spirtes are somewhat in order.

BTW, good show 952. It oft takes someone outside a realm to accurately diagnose it; its too bad people choose to get hung up on your locale.

You know, its always the guy who says it who is the a-hole, although eveyone is thinking it. Just because someone called his local, does not make them any worse. 952 is brought up to beleive certain things. Just like a lot of muslums in that part of the world are brought up to beleive that your mother, girlfriend, and daughter are less equal than you.

Fint, yes, these people are freedom fighters. Did we not hide behind stone walls in the revolution when the common tactic at the time was opposing lines of firing soldiers? De we not where our normal clothing and not uniforms? And if we're such great liberators, why have so many freedom fighters chosen to challenge us? Perhaps the Iraqi's consider tanks and blackhawks unfair, because they lack these advantages. But they can set a booby trap, why not? Cheers to them for using (what we in our country claim to be) some traditional American, patriotic ideology- fighting for one's country, even giving one's life. I have to think, with insurgents actually living over there, they might have a better informed opinion and reasoning on why they chose to fight then we do analyzing them here.

I though that the British wanted to own us? I remember now, they had the worlds largest army. Interesting, just like us now with Iraq, i'm starting to see the connection. Oh, but wait, tell me again how Saddam was better? How he didn't kill hundreds of people who didn't beleive in him? OR was that just a dream.

I see your points, all of you who think the "freedom fighters" are good. Good is pushing it for me, but whatever, its your opinion. However, lets wait and see if the US tries to keep Iraq for itself. Because then, that WILL be an INVATION for keeps. And at that point, dont you think the world would retaliate? All of you hippies out there, if the US keeps Iraq, i'll be right along side out you. But untill that day happens, your just a tree huggen hippie.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by BigD9146gt
[BAll of you hippies out there, if the US keeps Iraq, i'll be right along side out you.[/B]

Exactly, till then shut your pie holes as you have no reason to believe we will do such a thing.

[widebody911]

Originally posted by lendaddy
I cannot believe you guys. We are NOT an invading force, we are NOT trying to take over their country, we are NOT going to rape their resources, we will NOT plant our flag and tax them.

WTF?

How are we not an invading force? I must have missed the bit about the invite. "Dear George; you and 190,000 of your closest friends are invited to a party at my place. Please RSVP by Jan 20, 2003. BYOB (bombs)"

Regarding resources: Do you honestly think this is a $200B humanitarian mission?

The good thing is that President Bush isn't listening to any of your piss ant wrong ideas. He's conducting HIS global war on terrorism that will make the world safe for you and your children no matter where you live.

Go BOOSH! Shoot em ALL in the head!

[Tishabet]

Originally posted by klaucke
To me it sounds a lot like a Nazi refering to Jews.

Goddamnit! You're making the rest of us Eagle Scouts look bad. I propose a BB-wide rule that anyone planning to make a Nazi analogy needs to produce verifiable documentation of a bachelors degree in History at the very least.

[nostatic]

so, how about them Lakers?

oh yeah....they suck and wrong thread. Carry on.

kitty

[Mule]

A freind of mine used to say smart is superficial but stupid runs deep. Thom/Widebutty proves his theory. Why dont you ask some family members of some of the hundreds of thousands murdered/raped/tortured by saddam & his boys. Get their opinions. You sound like a mouthpiece for al jezerra!

[Rot 911]

[BigD9146gt]

Im just curious why you all have such a hard time with the invation aspect. People over there are extremely brainwashed (again, minimal education, if any, and live by hate. I cannot say all of them do this, that would be extremely ignorant, but a far portion are). Maybe i'm wrong, maybe they are a very peaceful country. Its just hard to prove after the Kuwati INVATION they did some years ago, and that fact that the muslum religan is always in the news over wars. I know that the muslum religian is a peaceful one, but any wacko can warp any religian to make others beleive what he wants, and it just seems theres also has one of the highest un-educated rates.

What the US is trying to accomplesh is to give them a choice. It doesn't look like that to most anti- war folk, but if the "freedom fighters" just gave up, let us install a government so that THEY CAN CHOOSE who will run there country (unlike Saddam, who go figure, took over somewhat like Hitler did), we would be happy to get the hell out of there. And if we make good relations for oil, so be it. But try not to let that be your only supporting argument. I used to, untill i talked with a longtime friend who visits Iraq ever couple of years, and told me what he has seen... mass corruption.

[952]

Ummm I may be wrong but didnt the German people elect Hitler through a political process?

[BigD9146gt]

Yes, just like Saddams ballot:

(X) Saddam
( ) Other (you will die if you check this box)

[BigD9146gt]

Can you prove that his election was fare? I cannot, but i know he's a croked little piggie...

[Mule]

Quote:
"Can you prove that his election was fare? I cannot, but i know he's a croked little piggie..."

Q.Can you prove I've never had sex with your wife?
A. No you can't.

One stupid question deserves another.

[BigD9146gt]

I sure can mule, i'm not married. I would love to flame you now, but that would lower me to your game. Please start your own thread to take cheap shots. Otherwise, keep to the content.

952, half way down, here is a great explinaiton of how hitler got into power...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?threadid=190897&perpage=20&pagenumber=5

Yes the people elected him in, a very demoralized population, and the events that fallowed were by chance that he made it as far as he did. If its possible for Hitler to make it as far as he did into power, its possible for another sick person to make it as far, like Saddam.

Why do people feel the need to make long drawn out signitures?

[Eric 951]

Originally posted by 952
Ummm I may be wrong but didnt the German people elect Hitler through a political process?

Yes, you are wrong.

So Island, what are you trying to say....

Originally posted by island911


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[ubiquity0]

Eric- well... he is partially wrong (from http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/Nazi_Germany_dictatorship.htm )

"Nazi Germany under the leadership of Hitler soon became a dictatorship. A dictatorship requires one person and one party to be in control of a nation and a climate of fear - this was provided by Himmler's SS. Personal freedom disappeared in Nazi Germany.

When Hitler was appointed chancellor on January 30th 1933, it was at the head of a coalition government. It was very clear in his mind that it would not remain this way for long. By the end of March 1933, he had acquired much greater powers than the former leading politicians of the Weimar Republic could ever have foreseen when they supported his appointment as chancellor. The death of President Hindenburg in August 1934, allowed him to combine both chancellor's and president's positions into one when Hitler became the Fuehrer and Reich Chancellor.

How did Germany descend so quickly into becoming a dictatorship ?

When Hitler was appointed in January 1933, Germany was a democracy. Germany had fair elections; nobody had their right to vote abused; there were numerous political parties you could vote for etc. To pass a law, the Reichstag had to agree to it after a bill went through the normal processes of discussion, arguments etc. Within the Reichstag of January 1933, over 50% of those who held seats were against the Nazi Party. Therefore it would have been very unlikely for Hitler to have got passed into law what he wanted. Many saw Hitler as a fall-guy politician who would have to shoulder to blame if things got worse under his leadership.

Hitler had promised a general election for March 1933. This would have been, in his mind, the perfect opportunity for him to show all politicians who opposed him where the true loyalties lay in the German people. In fact, 1932 had shown Hitler that there was a possibility that support for the Nazis had peaked as their showing in the November 1932 election had shown. Anything other than a huge endorsement of Hitler and the Nazi Party would have been a disaster and a gamble which it is possible that Hitler did not want to take.

One week before the election was due to take place, the Reichstag building burned down. Hitler immediately declared that it was the signal for a communist takeover of the nation. Hitler knew that if he was to convince President Hindenburg to give him emergency powers - as stated in the Weimar Constitution - he had to play on the old president's fear of communism. What better than to convince him that the communists were about to take over the nation by force?

A known communist - Marianus van der Lubbe - was caught near the Reichstag building immediately after the fire had started. Those that arrested him - Nazi officials - claimed that Lubbe confessed to them that the fire was a signal to other communists to start the revolution to overthrow democracy in the country. Matches were allegedly found on van der Lubbe and those who arrested him claimed that he smelt of petrol.

Hitler asked Hindenburg to grant him emergency powers in view of the 'communist takeover'. Using the constitution, Hindenburg agreed to pass the Law for the Protection of the People and the State.

This law gave Hitler what he wanted - a ban on the Communists and Socialists taking part in an election campaign. The leaders from both parties were arrested and their newspapers were shut down. To 'keep the peace' and maintain law and order, the SA (the Brown Shirts) roamed the streets beating up those who openly opposed Hitler.

The election took place in March - though Hitler was convinced it would be the last. Hitler did not get the number of votes he wanted but he did get enough to get over a 50% majority in the Reichstag:

Communists 4.8 million votes
Social Democrats 7.2 million votes
Centre party 5.5 million votes
Nationalists 3.1 million votes
Other parties 1.4 million votes
Nazis 17.3 million votes
That 12 million people voted for what were effectively two outlawed parties is remarkable when the intimidation of voters is taken into account.

After the burning down of the Reichstag, politicians had nowhere to meet. The Kroll Opera House in Berlin was chosen. This was a relatively small round building - perfect for meetings. On March 23rd, elected officials were due to meet to discuss and vote on Hitler's Enabling Law.

As politicians neared the building, they found it surrounded by SS and SA thugs who tried to ensure that only Nazi or Nationalist politicians got into the building. The vote for this law was crucial as it gave Hitler a vast amount of power. The law basically stated that any bill only needed Hitler's signature and within 24 hours that bill would become law in Germany. With only Nazis and other right wing politicians inside the Kroll Opera House, the bill was quickly passed into law. The act gave Hitler what he wanted - dictatorial power. What he wanted would become law in Germany within 24 hours of his signature being put on paper.

On 7th April 1933, Nazi officials were put in charge of all local government in the provinces.

On May 2nd 1933, trades unions were abolished, their funds taken and their leaders put in prison. The workers were given a May Day holiday in return.

On July 14th 1933, a law was passed making it illegal to form a new political party. It also made the Nazi Party the only legal political party in Germany."