lol well thats a new one. Show me exaclty where I likened your earlier metaphor to your aphorism.

Why is it people with links in their sig actually dont contribute to the discussion about the topic?

Ok, finished work, back off to Uni now... have fun kids!

so now you want me to show you the obvious. (?)

Dude(?) if you can't find it yourself ....

Go Lindsey Racing!:)

Are you 12?

Simpleton American at its best right there.

LOL!!! :D :D :D

Randy

Who do we have to thank for this? Ol' administration themselves!

March 26 - Before the Pentagon ordered the first bombs dropped on Baghdad, most of the reporters who would cover the conflict had already set up camp in or near Iraq. They had undergone intensive “hostile environment” training, been outfitted with gas masks and military gear, and at least 500 were “embedded” with U.S. troops (allowing them to travel under the protection of military units).

The number of reporters covering the war on Iraq from various sites in and around the country is estimated in the thousands—much higher than the number who covered the 1991 Persian Gulf War.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3068461/site/newsweek/

Think this "plan" has backfired? hmmmmm

Hey-I thought you were leaving. Just having a bit "o" fun and giving you a parting shot "mate" seeing as you were bailing w/o actually answering for your statements.

Don't get yer underwear in a bunch:). cheers!


PS-that's far from my best, but I appreciate the compliment:).

So, 952, do you still maintain the Marine in question was WRONG!?

Shoot em ALL in the head.

Twice.

tap'em twice.

for someone whos across the pond, and this dealing with American soldiers....why are you sticking your nose in it?

You dont live here so why make all the big fuss?

Its hard to follow rules when the other guy is playing you for the fool. Keep playing by the rules and all it does it keep increasing the number of soldiers dead. Its just like they say when you play SOCOM.....you follow the route given to you on the TACMAP, and all it does is lead you to an early grave, because the route leads you right into the enemy and you get mowed down more often than not. The idea is to get you to think and use your head, and not stick to the rulebook, because sticking to the rulebook verbatim will get you killed in a very short time.

Just to show the media is way off about things: That thread that was made a few days ago about that Porsche guy getting killed over in Fallujah....I went to the site that was linked, and to that day, a total of 60 some odd soldiers were killed since this started. However, AOL only stated that 38 were dead, and 4 Iraqis, meanwhile it was 6. At this point, Ive stopped taking interest in what the news says, because after watching a few shows with live interviews about the commanders in Fallujah, journalists keep asking the same god-dam question over and over, wording it differently to see if he'll give some kind of number. Hint Hint *******s! If the guy says he doesnt know how many insurgents are killed, then HE DOESNT KNOW!!! OR HE ISNT GOING TO TELL YOU!!!!

I swear the media is fuked up beyond all help. All they care about is ratings, and they will air anything that is bad or 'horrifying' even if it means putting our own soldiers in the spotlight and making them look bad. Money and greed at the expense of our own soldiers. If it was my decision, I wouldnt allow journalists to follow soldiers, because they are such fuking *******s. Id stick them in front of the platoon and let them go first..if they die oh well. Or instead of shooting a wounded iraqi soldier, shoot the journalist. How do you know from the night before or so, someone didnt sneak in as a regular person and plant a bomb on his ass? Its the same reason why the Marines, after making a sweep south, are now returning north again and clearing out more. Because they can slip around you and get you from behind, or move during the night and regroup somewhere else.


To me this is getting to be just like Vietnam. Instead of jungle, its vast desert and huge cities. When did Vietnam have a city that we tried to attack that had a population of 1.2 million?? You could take over those small villages and say that the U.S. has secured it, but hours later after you leave, the Vietcong slips back into the village and plants bombs on children or in shacks. You come back through it later on during the day or night, hold some womans child and your body gets ripped apart, or you walk into a shack and it gets leveled. I forgot how many books I read about Vietnam, where soldiers would get killed just by making friends with the villagers, because they can be double faced, and side with the enemy and you would never know. Same applies for Iraq. The enemy has taken the route of non uniform combat, so that makes everyone a target, and when the enemy fights as dirty as they did back in the day, its quite hard to distinguish whether or not they are your friends.

In vietnam, the only way to 'secure' a village sometimes, was to burn it to the ground if it had ties with the VietCong. Unfortunatley, in a place the size of Fallujah, you cant just burn it to the ground.

umm...err....I thought I did contribute to the thread on page one. And then again on this page with my pithy comment about long sig files. So does "back to Uni" mean you're in school? Well, that would explain some of the comments...

I am finishing my Masters Thesis... And preparing my proposal for my PhD. So yes education would explain my comments.


Island: I will give you a clue: Contract. Hopefully you can work out why your comments thereafter are wrong and I didnt make a comparison about your "All is fair in love and war" comment. Hopefully. If you need more of a clue, let me know.

Wayne, this is a hard one. Given our times, having seen Micheal Moores Farehenit 9/11, and this video on the thread, i'd have to say that regardless how much footage we get, it is the future of war. I'm not sure if we need to see the horrors of war, because those who have never been in that situation do not know what its like. On a lesser note, showing high school teens videos of giving birth doesn't drastically slow down the baby making process. Along with drunk driving and other situations.

Another thing, could we consider that this video was staged? That the soldgers there were sick and tired of fighting for something that they don't believe in? Cut and paste isn't very hard for video, and seting up a wounded Iraqi to shoot probably wouldn't be hard either. Anything is possible.

But if its real, my heart still goes out to our troops, and to the familys who have lost love ones, and the Iraqi children who have not had a chance to be educated.

952, if what we are doing is moraly wrong, what do you suggest? Is Saddam a better choice? Do you have THE answer? No one does, but know one ELSE has the POWER? WE DO. Wether we are right or wrong, we are the USA. He have to help EVERYONE. We inharated this BURDON after the collaps of the cold war. I would LOVE to see some other country do the amount we do, or am i being ignorant? Do we not realy help all that many people? I sure see alot of commercials everyday telling me to send money here, we are doing releif efforts here. We need to stop ethnic cleansing here. I wasn't aware that ethnic cleansing still existed? If you don't think so, you need to take a trip to africa. Are they still teaching kids to hate the Jews? If you don't think so, you need to take a trip to Saudi Arabia. Hey 952, do you have a girlfriend? Or better yet, how about your mom? Do you think its right that she cover her whole body and walk 20 ft behind you? Granted its not your culture, but how would YOU like to be treated that way. They are like dogs, the don't know any better... They need to he EDUCATED!!!!!! We are like a parent, and not everyone is going to agree how we treat children. Which, is one of the major flaws i beleive to be in our society. "Its NOT OK for you to spank my kid! Only ME!" But what if your wrong and i'm right? Or visa versa? Someone needed to spank Iraq. Not everyone was at falt, but its like a classroom with a couple of bullies, you need to weed them out. Granted spanking is alot less horrible than war or death, but the scale is proportional.

I would love to move to New Zealand one day, I just hope that 952 is the minority "Green Peace" down there. Honestly man, neither you or I have been in combat, shot at, watched our buddies die before our eyes. WE DO NOT HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE TO JUDGE OTHERS. Can you judge what its like to have a baby? (i'm assuming you have the male anatomy) If you don't know what its like to have all of those things happen to you, your ass-u-me-ing is making an ass out of you and me. Besides that, thats one bad ass racing culture. The WRC of New Zealand is AWESOME, along with all the other suto/boat racing that goes on down there! Plus one beautiful country!

Well, you're a few letters behind me, but maybe you'll catch up some day...

But I'm not sure what a Master's degree in Second Guessing will do for you on the job market. Kinda limited to the news media and punditry.

Lets see, this guy in the mosque is defending his hometown from foriegn invaders, is injured and surrenders to the hostile forces.

The next day a pissed off soldier gets a bug up his ass and shoots one of them because he is having a bad day.

Even if its a mistake its still a violation of the geneva convention we have agreed to abide to and the soldier should face the appropriate charges.

If not it certainly shows our military is not enforcing its own rules which makes us even worse than what we were supposedly trying to 'liberate' iraq from.

Even jessica lynchs unit was offered more humane treatement after they surrendered to iraqi forces when the war started.

Those who think otherwise are just proving themselves to be amoral pawns when it comes to beligerant nationalism.

If those were wounded US troops and iraqi insurgents executing them would it still be OK?

I don't know... When was the last time we booby trapped one of our own boys with some explosive? I thought we had a pretty good dead retreval rate? Or was that the brits?

Quite right-your education does explain a lot. Most people I know remark on how they "new it all" when they were working on their masters. Many things were either black or white. It wasn't until they entered the real, grey world that they learned how little they really knew.

This isn't meant to be an insult. Nothing I've said to you has for that matter. These are simply observations. I feel that you were a bit closed minded-this based your statements without really knowing the full story. As a student I would think you would know better than to swallow what the media feeds you hook, line and sinker.

Stick with what got you where you are. It should serve you well in acquiring your PhD. It takes a certain dogma to achieve such goals. However, once you graduate, might I suggest opening the mind a little?

Best of luck to you in your endeavor. For what it's worth, I will never patronize Lindsey Racing:).