A 14 year old boy died after having received 85 lashes; - Page 2

island911 · 11-20-2004, 11:42 AM

Damn edits. .

c_c, I'll give you that the Iraqi govt, under Saddam, was secular.

Though it seem, cc, that you want to pretend that since the Iraqi govt under Saddam was secular, that Saddam wasn't supporting the extermination of one religion . . . namely the Jews.

Do you. . .Did you really have such a narrow view on world politics to believe that WMD was the only issue? . . .or are you now simply towing the Bush-bashing line of "no WMD found = Saddam was no threat" ?

cool_chick · 11-20-2004, 11:46 AM

I believe convincing congress to go for war for other reasons than what were presented is dishonest and rather despicible.

War is a serious thing....if he had other "reasons", then congress should know these reasons.

And I don't believe for a minute it had to do with "religion." LOL

island911 · 11-20-2004, 11:50 AM

Such a narrow view you have.

The implication of what you just said is that the Bush Admin completely fabricated the threat of Iraq. . . .is that right? . . is that what you believe?

cool_chick · 11-20-2004, 11:55 AM

I think it had NOTHING to do with religion.

What imaginative, fantasizing views you have island. I'm sorry if you want to make up "reasons," though I have to admit it's one of the more creative "excuses" I've heard of late.

island911 · 11-20-2004, 11:56 AM

So then, do you also believe that Saddam was NOT skimming Billions thru the UN Oil for food program? .. . money used to fund so-called suicide bombers in Israel. (?)

I really think that you need more sources than Moore.

cool_chick · 11-20-2004, 11:59 AM

WTF does that have to do with your claims of "going to war for religion" and trying to find irony where there is none?

You have attention deficit problem or something? You appear to have a very difficult time staying on topic.

cool_chick · 11-20-2004, 12:01 PM

And I'll do my own....

so Island, do you believe that Bush declared war on Iraq because Laura Bush wouldn't give him any that night?

or

So Island, do you belive that Bush likes bombs because he didn't get enough love as a youth?

or

So Island, do you believe that Bush is really a closet homosexual and Saddam spurned his advances?

LOL

island911 · 11-20-2004, 12:03 PM

geez you get frustrated easily.

island911 · 11-20-2004, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by cool_chick
WTF does that have to do with your claims of "going to war for religion" . ..

So then, the extermination of Jews has nothing to do with religion?

cool_chick · 11-20-2004, 12:10 PM

I believe the American people were not lied to when we went into WWII. The American people knew exactly why our troops were going there....

And what does the jews and the WWII issue have to do with going to war in Iraq? There is no comparison.

If this country were so damn concerned about such things, we'd be going to Sudan like RIGHT NOW..it's BAD over there. Way worse than anywhere in the mideast. Or Saudi (they're not too cool to their women either, in fact they're one of the worst - but nothing like the genocide going on now in Sudan).

cool_chick · 11-20-2004, 12:13 PM

To answer your question, I believe the jews issue had to do more with racism/narcissism, things of that nature. Hitler felt the jews had "all the money" and felt that the german bloodline was a "superior" race.

island911 · 11-20-2004, 12:17 PM

WWII is a seperate issue; as is the Sudan. (talk about ADD)

The topic you questioned me on is religion and Iraq.

So; was Saddams support of the extermination of Jews thru "suicide bombers" free of ties to religion?

please resist your urge to change the subject, skirt the question.

cool_chick · 12:22 PM

Oh, sorry.

Yes, it's free of ties to religion. The reasons have to do with land that was taken from the Palestinians.

cool_chick · 11-20-2004, 12:22 PM

Island, is there a way we can both let this thread get back on the topic of this poor kid?

island911 · 11-20-2004, 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by cool_chick
Oh, sorry.

Yes, it's free of ties to religion. ...

thanks for that.

though; "The reasons have to do with land that was taken from the Palestinians."

let's save that for another day.

For sake of this argument, I'll give you that the extermination of Jews thru "suicide bombers" is free of ties to religion.

But will you acknowlege that "suicide bombers" who walk into coffee-shops, or onto puplic busses are terrorizing the population around those citizens that they bomb/kill?

island911 · 11-20-2004, 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by cool_chick
Island, is there a way we can both let this thread get back on the topic of this poor kid?

Did you just say "Uncle" ?

island911 · 11-20-2004, 01:06 PM

.. .I think ya did.

952 · 11-20-2004, 01:14 PM

Is the issue really that the punishment was handed out where we could see it? I am not that familiar with the words of god, but what happens in the after life if you sin, any one of the many that people break frequently. We may all be in for an ass kicking when we die... and an eternal ass kicking. This boy obviously sinned, and the punishment was handed out quicker than what god would do if the rules he made were broken.

cool_chick · 11-20-2004, 01:20 PM

Island, if you would like to continue, create a new post.

952, I'll bet that this type of punishment is in the Koran for this type of "offense", however, causing death is probably not the intent, and I'm presuming 85 "lashes" is quite extreme.

Perhaps this is why there is outrage among muslims.

All Muslims are raised reading the Koran and they know the punishments for various offenses. Just like us I guess...we know the punishment for stealing, murder, etc.

952 · 11-20-2004, 01:25 PM

If death was the intent, it would not be 85 lashings, it would be lashings till death.

The fact is different countries place different weighting of punishment to varying crimes. You may be executed in many Asian countries for drug smuggling for example, however, we would not think of doing that in Western countries for that crime.