Interesting find in Fallujah?

[Joeaksa]

You really believe anything that Al Jazerra says in this report? Its a puppet for the terrorists, pure and simple and nothing more!

It goes on to say that the US used poisonous gasses against the terrorists in Fallujah and tries to insist that other banned weapons are being used.

Other residents of that area also said that banned weapons were used. Abu Sabah, said; “They used these weird bombs that put up smoke like a mushroom cloud… then small pieces fall from the air with long tails of smoke behind them."

What is this guy trying to describe? A nuke? WP? It finally goes on to say that phosphorous "are known to have such effects" and its not banned and used by every major military in the world.

If you want to quote someone, please us a source that has at least 1% of respect. These guys are taking info from someone who was riding a camel a few years ago and asking them about weapons they have never heard of, then using it to scare everyone.

JoeA

[turbocarrera]

Joe, you have every right to criticize the domestic and foreign policy of our government. Why wouldn't you? We've sold nuclear technology to communists and radical fundamentalist regimes, allowed our corporations to exploit the poorest people in the world, turned our back on absoloute crimes against humanity and nature - I could go on but it's despressing. You most definitely should criticize any government that conducts themselves this way.. and there's LOTS.

a little poetry..

The whole wide world
An endless universe
Yet we keep looking through
The eyeglass in reverse
Don't feed the people
But we feed the machines
Can't really feel
What international means

The bosses talk so tough
And if that's not evil enough
We get the drunk and passionate pride
Of citizens along for the ride

They shoot without shame
In the name of a piece of dirt
For a change of accent
Or the colour of your shirt
Better the pride that resides
In a citizen of the world
Than the pride that divides
When a colorful rag is unfurled

[kach22i]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
You really believe anything that Al Jazerra says in this report? .............................What is this guy trying to describe? ....................If you want to quote someone, please us a source that has at least 1% of respect. These guys are taking info from someone who was riding a camel a few years ago a ..........JoeA

Dear Joe,

1. CNN embedded reporting has documented the use of napalm, that's a link I looked up, it took a whole 1-minute to do on Google, please click on it.

2. Al Jazerra is a tool, but not everything is a total fabrication, it's kind of like watching Fox News.

3. Re: "someone who was riding a camel a few years ago", I'm sure their ignorance of "cluster bombs" and other modern weapons killed many of them already, and made a few three legged camels too.

4. Re: phosphorous, yep that's what it sounds like, you know more than the average camel rider- congratulations.

5. RE: Mushroom clould, I've seen a few hollywood movies, it's an easy special effect with conventional explosives...............again no special knowledge required for that one.

6. Depleted Uranium and birth defects? The UN has covered this topic too.

7. Land minies and innocent victims? The UN has covered this topic as well.

8. Everything the UN says is bad probably is, but then again it takes no special knowlege to figure that one out.

9. From what I've read, I have a far greater moral dillima over the use of depleted uranium ammo, cluster bombs and land mines than I do with naplam. The other weapons I've listed outlast the conflict and continue to claim victims many years later. Naplam just burns up and goes away.

[notfarnow]

Bang on turbocarrera...

I heard an interview the other day where someone was criticizing the US for not taking direct action in Sudan. WTF?!? Paul Martin was in Sudan last night and what did he pledge? Books. Uh yeah, thanks... maybe they could burn them for heat so people don't get raped or murdered when they leave the camps rumaging for firewood.

Problem is, western countries point out flaws in US actions/inactions as though they are always on some moral highground. We point out US flaws and issues as though they don't exist in our countries. Worse yet, when we do point out these issues in OUR countries, we tag them... like "U.S. style political campaigns", "Americanized diet", "U.S. style consumerism" etc etc. As though these issues in our countries, are somehow caused by the U.S. These are issues in the whole western world, but teh rest of the western world doesn't want to accept any blame for them. It's the U.S... not us.

PS Joeaska... The vegoil thing is pretty cool. I did it to save on fuel cost initially,but the independence aspect of of it has really won me over. Pretty cool to just drive by the gas stations for a month straight. I recently converted my dad's Mercedes 300SL, and will be converting a friend's Dodge pickup in the spring.... PM me if you need any vehicle-specific info for you're friend.

[350HP930]

Being against WMD is one of those 'do as we say, not as we do' things our government likes to use as justification to attack other countries that did not attack us first.

[Joeaksa]

So now CNN is an expert on weapons? The napalm was all destroyed two or three years ago and we have not made anymore of it. This is documented and we do not have any now in our inventory.

Hate to break it to everyone but there are things in our inventory that CNN has no idea of, how it works, looks like and so on. Taking a reporter and throwing them out in the field and expecting them to know everything just will not work.

Al Jazzera is a very slanted news source and its only good for seeing (time and time again) the videos of our people being held hostage, then having their heads cut off.

Let me let you in on a little secret... I have friends over there right now who are flying in the conflict and I have a good idea of what they are dropping and its not napalm! Spent my last tour based in Saudi and flying guess where... it was in the desert, lots of sand and camels and solders shooting at us in the "so called no fly zone"...

No one said a thing about land mines but as long as you brought it up, yes they are being used there. BY THE TERRORISTS to kill innocent civilians and our military.

Agree with you on on the aspect of the depleted uranium. Do not like it but then they are not shooting it at me. I believe about 20% of what the UN says, and then "trust but verify" even that. They are as well a slanted organization and have their own agenda.

Joe A

[Seahawk]

Joe,

Agree. Lots of my friends are flying there everyday as well...and, as someone who deals with navy weapons every day, I can state without reservation: the Navy has no weapons that employ napalm. None.
And I am 99.9% sure the AF and the Army do not either. End of story.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
So now CNN is an expert on weapons? The napalm was all destroyed two or three years ago and we have not made anymore of it. This is documented and we do not have any now in our inventory.

I'll have to admit this is one system I have not kept up with. Could be we got rid of some of it, more likely sold it off through a back channel for later use (Israel?). I know old chemical weapons get destroyed (incinerated) at offshore locations, but I've said too much already.

There are plenty of weapons that produce a fireball, those "fuel-air" bombs are pretty wicked. I have only seen this stuff on 60 minutes and in magazines (thank God). I don't expect a CNN guy to know it all, nor the military which approved/reviewed the embedded report to catch all mistakes made.

Naplam would not be the worst thing we have used, it's a tangible.

Has anyone ever figure out what caused Gulf war Syndrome?

[350HP930]

Most experts think it was what was in the government's stew of experimental vaccines the soldiers were forced to take.

The benign view is that its all an accident from sloppy vaccine production, but some suspect its just another case of our military using our own soldiers as guinee pigs for new bioweapons.

[fintstone]

Napalm...LOL. Next thing you know, we will be using flaming arrows and catpults with diseased dead cows. There are too many weapons that are more effective and much easier to deploy. When will you guys ever realize that Al Jazeera and CNN are using you for dupes. Why do you think Brokaw and Rather, etc are calling it quits...everyone knows they are liars now....so they are useless.

[350HP930]

Ah yes, now that we use fuel air bombs, incendiaries and DU instead of napalm and agent orange we have come so far.

[fintstone]

350
Generally speaking, we do not use any of those, athough some of those are certainly available. If you know better ways to kill people than those we already use...please pass it on to me and I will see the right people see it.

[Joeaksa]

Flint,

Its funny. So easy to tell someone who has never been "in harms way" from the rest of the crowd. After being shot at by the "bad guys" people tend to want to kill the enemy anyway possible, as quick as possible, to hell with the UN.

The others want to be "humane" .... while the enemy has no rules and can do as they please.

JoeA

[fintstone]

Yes, you would think we were firebombing cities like in WW2 instead of our guys taking incredible risks to take them block by block, house by house. Of course the same folks were calling the administration stupid for letting the civilians evacuate Fallujah before we went in because some bad guys also escaped.

[turbocarrera]

Originally posted by fintstone
snip...If you know better ways to kill people than those we already use...please pass it on to me and I will see the right people see it.

I think you already know the best way, Fint - just keep voting for right-wing candidates.

You still haven't read those NSA documents?.. tsk tsk.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by turbocarrera
I think you already know the best way, Fint - just keep voting for right-wing candidates.

You still haven't read those NSA documents?.. tsk tsk.

Good advice. Beats voting the other way (left-wing) for folks that would fail to provide that which is necessary to defend this nation. I guess spit wads would suit you eh?

[Joeaksa]

Flint,

Where have you been!! The liberals want everyone to use cigars not spit wads!

Funny how the current President feels that sex is something to be enjoyed with his wife. Novel concept huh? Pretty well leaves time to handle the worlds affairs instead of extra marital affairs on the side!

JoeA

[kach22i]

I've scanned the thread for some issues, here is what I've found.

1. No one is upset about the possiblity of using napalm, only the possible inaccuracy of such reports.

2. Joeaksa has sex on the brain.

[Joeaksa]

2. Joeaksa has sex on the brain

Fail to see the problem??? My ex-wife sat me down before we got married. She was a German from Berlin and typical European lady.

Told me: I am used to having sex at least twice a day and I have gone out with American guys before. If you cannot handle this, please tell me now so I can move on.

We were married 11 years... divorced due to other issues! Now you guys know one of the reasons I like European ladies! They usually do not play the games American ladies do in the bedroom.

Sex is a large part of any relationship and the foreign ladies do not carry the baggage of years of being given the feeling that "sex is dirty" and so on... To tell the truth I like the mental relationship a bit more with a lady but they both can be very nice with the right person.

Joe A

PS, if someone is shooting, or trying to kill me in any manner, I could care less what means is used to dispatch them. In the case of Fallujah, they were warned weeks before to leave if you did not want to be considered a hostile and killed. Anyone who stayed was a terrorist and deserved to die.

[red ufo]

Originally posted by fintstone
Napalm...LOL. Next thing you know, we will be using flaming arrows and catpults with diseased dead cows. There are too many weapons that are more effective and much easier to deploy. When will you guys ever realize that Al Jazeera and CNN are using you for dupes. Why do you think Brokaw and Rather, etc are calling it quits...everyone knows they are liars now....so they are useless.

Watch the DVD control room that shows what Al Jeezera shows. Its just as partisan as Foxnews is. They have 40 million viewers compared to Foxnews 4-5 million.

If al Jeezera is a terrorist mouth piece, then foxnews is a christian pro bomb nexius for the converted. Foxnews has said Al Jeezera needs to be bombed and destroyed. Well atleast jeezera don't say Foxnews needs to be blown up in terrorist attacks.

jeezera shows our war crimes, its the only true we can get outside the media monopoly. I notice (D) and (i) don't really care if we get Jeezera from satellite. But the hardliners that believe foxnews are really, really mad at Jeezera and don't want it aired under any condition to the US or zion states.

They are certainly frighten of us anti-propaganda airing to show the US isn't really blessed by God and does some messed up things that only a media outside of corporate Amerika will dare to broadcast.

I wish direct TV had this channel, much better than Foxnews, thats just military/church propaganda.

Foxnews is to news what MTV is to music videos.