Interesting find in Fallujah?

[BlueSkyJaunte]

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/graphics/phantom_fury/flash.htm

The email that accompanied this link in my inbox:

WONDER WHY YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT THIS?

If you use this link [ http://www.usatoday.com/news/graphics/phantom_fury/flash.htm ] to visit the USA Today web site you will be treated to a flash presentation of several pictures taken during the siege of Fallujah._ Picture number two in this presentation shows 40 vials in boxes labeled "Sarin."_ That's sarin gas, my friends._ One drop of this stuff on your skin can kill you._ The boxes have Cyrillic and German characters on them, indicating they may have come from our good friends the Russians or the Germans._ The caption under the photo reads "Marines discovered 40 vials of suspected Sarin gas while searching a house in Fallujah, Iraq._ It was secreted in a briefcase hidden in a truck in the courtyard of the house."_

So ... there you go._ Weapons of mass destruction._ Chemical weapons._ This Sarin gas could, with an effective application, kill thousands._ And where do they find it?_ In a briefcase!_ A briefcase in a car trunk. And you wonder why our troops have had some difficulty finding Saddam's weapons?_ You still think inspections could have worked?_ Yeah, sure they would._ The inspectors were going to look in every car trunk and every briefcase in Iraq._

What you see in that picture is proof that the only way to even come close to neutralizing the threat that Saddam posed was to remove him from power._ Nothing else was going to work.

Meanwhile ... just watch the critics whistle past this one._ If you don't mention the vials of Sarin gas, they just don't exist ... do they?

[350HP930]

As has already been discussed in another thread, those pics are of a sarin test kit used to test CWB equipment.

Deadly yes, but each vial only represents enough sarin to kill several people, so the pictured find is no more deadly than a box of ammo or an explosive device.

Dont forget that the M in WMD stands for weapons of MASS destruction.

Let the bush regime crow about its war when they find more than a few ounces of the stuff.

Perhaps you might have missed the memo that we are not there about WMD anyways, its all about liberating the iraqi people and their energy resources.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Typical assassination of the messenger--thanks, I knew you wouldn't let me down, 350.

[asphaltgambler]

WMD? - I just want to know if we have their oil fields under control. We do? Cool !!!!!!!! I just bought a new boat with twin 502's!

[350HP930]

Wow, I didn't know that putting this 'find' into perpective was an assasination of the messenger.

[asphaltgambler]

Now was that mid grade or premium?? Never mind I'll have both!

[Joeaksa]

Blue,

While it has been discussed in the earlier thread, the question of just why would they need a Sarin test kit was never really explained. There were WMD there at one time, Saddam used them to gas his people, and where they are is a good question. Would love to know...

Joe A

[turbocarrera]

I doubt we'll ever know where all the WMD went - maybe the republicans shouldn't have sold it to him in the first place? Might have cut down on all the death and stuff. Oh well..

[dd74]

Originally posted by turbocarrera
I doubt we'll ever know where all the WMD went - maybe the republicans shouldn't have sold it to him in the first place? Might have cut down on all the death and stuff. Oh well..

Quoted from Blue's quote:

The boxes have Cyrillic and German characters on them, indicating they may have come from our good friends the Russians or the Germans.

Since when do Republicans use Cyrillic characters or adequately speak German?

[turbocarrera]

Oh, you're talking about the test kits.. my bad.. I was talking about the WMD that Reagan gave Saddam.. that the Kurds and Iranians were gassed with..

http://www.kurdishmedia.com/news.asp?id=5087
Under the successive presidencies of Ronald Reagan and George Bush, the USA sold nuclear, chemical and biological weapons technology to Saddam Hussein.

In the early 1990s, UN inspectors told the US Senate committee on banking, housing and urban affairs – which oversees American export policy – that they had “identified many US-manufactured items exported pursuant of licences issued by the US department of commerce that were used to further Iraq’s chemical and nuclear weapons development and missile delivery system development programmes”.

In 1992, the committee began investigating “US chemical and biological warfare-related dual-use exports to Iraq”. It found that 17 individual shipments totalling some 80 batches of biomaterial were sent to Iraq during the Reagan years.

The chairman of the Senate committee, Don Riegle, said: “The executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licences for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think it’s a devastating record.”



You can read about it in the official embassy communiques and archived NSA documents at this site:
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

[Joeaksa]

I doubt we'll ever know where all the WMD went - maybe the republicans shouldn't have sold it to him in the first place? Might have cut down on all the death and stuff. Oh well..

Tony,

Was based in the area between the wars and its not the Republicans sending the stuff over there. How about looking at Russia, Germany, France and so on before slinging the brown material at one political party?

While we are at it, this whole mess would have not happened as it did had Clinton, a Democratic president, been more worried about Bin Laden than Monica and a blow job. Its been documented that the Clinton administration had at least 10 attempts to kill or capture Bin Laden and did nothing about it.

Is it now time to go after the Canadian side of the border? How many terrorists fly to Canada because their immigration are lax, then walk or drive across an unmonitered part of the border into our country to kill and injure?

Just love it when someone out of the country keeps pointing fingers at America and telling us what all is wrong...

Joe A

[notfarnow]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
How many terrorists fly to Canada because their immigration are lax, then walk or drive across an unmonitered part of the border into our country to kill and injure?

Good question! How many?

Examples please....

[Joeaksa]

Even one is too many! Unless you live in a cave or cabin in the woods almost everyone has seen it in the news in the past two years.

Find the examples yourself! Look into the past records of the guy trying to drive a truckload of explosives into Washington state from Canada, or how about the guys in upstate New York who were caught who crossed into the border.

Guys, we do not tell you how to take care of your country and would appreciate someone from another country telling us how to do ours!

Joe A

[notfarnow]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
Even one is too many!

Agreed

Unless you live in a cave or cabin in the woods almost everyone has seen it in the news in the past two years.

True enough... and it's kind of annoying. I also remember that right after 9/11 people were very quick to assume that the terrorists came from Canada. Wasn't the case, was it?

Guys, we do not tell you how to take care of your country and would appreciate someone from another country telling us how to do ours!]

Sorry if that's how you interpret it... I think for the most part people are just expressing their opinions. I don't know why opinions from other countries are more offensive.

I wasn't trying to jump on any anti-US bandwagon, I just piped up when I saw my country being poked at. Probably had the same defensive reaction you have when you feel that we're taking shots at the US.

[350HP930]

Wow, who would have figured that the responsibility of securing the US borders belongs to canada and mexico.

I guess the right wingers want to apply that outsourcing idea to everything.

[fintstone]

If you actually read Joe's post, he was advocating the the US secure the US/Canadian border better, not Canada. Several terrorists have been caught at that border already...who knows how many are missed? We need to secure all our borders...maybe even halt immigration until this terrorism nonsense is over.
Oh, and the notion that the US gave WMD to Iraq is just silly.

[Joeaksa]

Notfarnow,

Not in any way implying that its your guys fault, but it helps no one when this happens! If a dirty bomb is exploded in Seattle, the fallout would not stop at the border but would drift everywhere. Chernobyl showed this very well.

If anyone has egg on its face, its the US. Just look at the border with Mexico and the numbers who cross illegally there daily. Not all of them are migrant farm workers and several middle eastern types have been caught in this area.

We can use help from our friends in Canada to keep everything secure and its something that we all need to work on, because if something bad happens here, it sure will effect life in Canada as well as the US. What torques me is that we are not telling the Canadians to clean up their various messes around the country/world, so why so they seem so eager to jump on us with their comments on how to run the world?

JoeA

[notfarnow]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
What torques me is that we are not telling the Canadians to clean up their various messes around the country/world, so why so they seem so eager to jump on us with their comments on how to run the world?

In fact, the US does get very involved in what goes on in Canada. Many of our policies, even laws, have been strongly influenced by US lobbying. It really can't be said that "we are not telling the Canadians to clean up their various messes around the country/world", if you are referring to things that go on INSIDE Canada.

Having said that, you make a very good point when in comes to Canada and other countries criticizing US actions. It's obviously WAY too easy for other countries to sit back and point the finger at the US. There's something that's always bugged me about the anti-american sentiment that's often vocalized in other western countries... The fact of the matter is that Canada and other Western countries don't have as many messes around the world, because they don't have the power and reach to be as involved around the world. So, it's a lot easier to sit back and criticise than it is to be involved.

Edited for spelling:hungover

[Joeaksa]

I could go into some of Canada's overseas issues, like when the military forces got a bit overactive in Africa a few years back? Your people handled it and to tell the truth, its none of my business and so not my right to comment on. Wish others would do the same.

How about a better subject? Send some of the stuff you got the "hangover" with down South and we will both be happy.

Also, how do you like using the veggie diesel? Have a friend here who is looking into doing that for his vehicles. Sure like to see something like this being worked on as it lessens our need for overseas oil.

Joe A

[kach22i]

Okay "Sarin" is bad stuff, and we have not found any, what was found was a test kit.

How about napalm?................a Vietnam favorite.


http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/21/otsc.irq.savidge/

It is now estimated the hill was hit so badly by missiles, artillery and by the Air Force, that they shaved a couple of feet off it. And anything that was up there that was left after all the explosions was then hit with napalm . And that pretty much put an end to any Iraqi operations up on that hill.

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EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was written in accordance with Pentagon ground rules allowing so-called embedded reporting, in which journalists join deployed troops. Among the rules accepted by all participating news organizations is an agreement not to disclose sensitive operational details.

The US has been using napalm in Iraq (see the CNN article above), I say use what ever it takes to save American lives out in the field.

The world has a different opinion, see below.

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=5875
The U.S. military is secretly using banned napalm gas and other outlawed weapons against civilians in the Iraqi city of Fallujah, eyewitnesses reported.................................Residents in Fallujah reported that innocent civilians have been killed by napalm attacks, a poisonous cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel which makes the human body melt. ........................The United Nations banned the use of the napalm gas against civilians in 1980 after pictures of a naked wounded girl in Vietnam shocked the world.