pbs911,

Great, but can she cook? ;)


Seriously, Happy to hear that someone is having a positive year. Good for you and your new POV.

you know, i rarely gave a shat about much until pelican OT entered my life. i just was sheltered here in california, did not realize there was such a big backwards ace world out there. i pretty much thought people were reasonable, wanted the same things out of life that i did and plugged along to get them. i never imagined there were beliefs and opinions that were so far off what i considered "mainstream" that i would feel the anger and distain for some's views that i do.

its a strange time, and frankly i liked it better when i was uninformed, unaware, and could give a shat. there are now places i never want to go, and i hope people from there don't want to ever come here. these places i speak of don't require a passport to get to either.

Amen....

AFJuvat
Second Generation American

Unless I missed something...some of you guys are upset that people are against ILLEGAL immigration and/or want to do something about it?

This is wrong?

K911SC, you in particular. Not to pick on you and I may have missed something, but what is it that upset you so much? I think you're reading alot into this that isn't there. Do you assume that someone that is against ILLEGAL immigration is a racist? Something else? I am honestly confused.

http://wakeupamericafoundation.com/main.html

Top Ten Reasons to
ENFORCE OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS - NOW!

10. It's time to raise the American standard of living.
The real minimum wage has been declining for over a decade. Some advocate raising the minimum wage--but this, of course, would raise the price of unskilled labor above its free-market value. Mass unemployment would result.

Why has the market value of unskilled labor declined? For the same reason that all prices move: supply and demand. It's hard to change the demand side of the equation: you can't make anyone "need" an unskilled worker who doesn't need one already. For years, however, we have been artificially modifying the supply side by quietly tolerating a massive influx of unskilled workers across our borders. We can reverse the trend by enforcing immigration laws. We won't need to raise the minimum wage. It will raise itself. Millions of Americans will be lifted out of poverty, and millions more from the lower middle class to prosperity.


9. We can immediately create millions of new jobs.
Conservative estimates place the number of illegal aliens in the U.S. at 10,000,000. That's ten million. Taking into account minor children and the aged, that's still millions of people who are flooding our labor force. Remove them, and opportunities will abound for Americans.

There's an old canard that says that illegals "take the jobs Americans don't want." This is a fallacy! There's no job an American can't or won't do for a living wage. It is a cruel joke on the American worker to allow illegals to depress wages for many jobs below poverty level, and then to mock Americans for being reluctant to participate in the poverty.


8. Breaking the law is crime. Lawbreakers are criminals.
Out of deference to the PC crowd, many like to use the term "undocumented workers"--as if illegals were merely missing a piece of bureaucratic paperwork. By the same logic, we can call a car thief an "undocumented driver."

Our immigration laws exist for good reasons: to protect our safety, our national sovereignty, our standard of living, our health, and our culture. Those who break them may "want a better life for themselves," but then again, so do all who enrich themselves by disregarding the law.

Besides, many people who wish to immigrate honestly are waiting patiently. Granting privileges like driver's licenses and social security cards to illegals is a slap in the face to law-abiding citizens and immigrants alike. It's like opening an express window to give titles and owner's cards to car thieves, while making legitimate owners stand in line!


7. Open borders threaten our safety.
Since the attacks of September 11, 2001, two things have become clear. First, we have enemies, and they are vicious and without conscience. Second, our enemies obviously believe that an attack from within is more feasible than an attack from without.

Even before the horrid events of September 11, our immigration laws had the primary purpose of protecting us. The use of visas and passports allows our government to monitor, and to control, who enters our country, and why.

Certainly, few illegal aliens are terrorists. But it only takes one! More importantly, the creeping ideology of open borders--the (usually unspoken) belief that treating foreigners who enter our country differently than we treat our own citizens is somehow "discriminatory" or "racist"--is creating a terrible dilemma: Either we cease to monitor the aliens (and open ourselves up for even worse attacks), or we create the "equality" of the police state by casting aside constitutional protections for citizens and monitoring everyone.

The more resolutely we protect our borders against threats from without, the safer, and freer, we can live within them.


6. We're a nation of 300 million; the Third World population is in the billions. Do the math.
Our country seems large, but its population is tiny compared to that of the Third World. China and India alone have seven times our population.

For whatever reasons, our society has succeeded in creating immense wealth where many others have created only poverty. An American welfare recipient would still be "rich" by the standards of most of the world.

One can't blame the citizens of countries who produce much less wealth per capita than we for wanting to reap the benefits our forefathers have sown for us. But if we open the borders, our island of productivity and prosperity will soon disappear beneath a flood of Third World squalor.

5. American culture is worth preserving.
Culture is more than operas and Shakespearian plays--it's the sum total of the customs, beliefs, artistic creations, attitudes, goals, and norms that make a society what it is. It is passed down, as a treasure, from grandparent to parent to child. In other words, culture is what gives us our identity.

Some advocate "multiculturalism"--creating a society in which multiple cultures exist side by side, and believe that "diversity"--having as many cultures as possible, with none dominant--is desirable.

The majority of the media elite believes that we need more multiculturalism and diversity; the majority of the population doesn't. Regardless of how anyone stands on this issue, the fact is that our society is already multicultural and diverse. Anyone who wishes to enjoy, and celebrate, the many cultures now coexisting in America need only visit any American city.

By contrast, genuine American culture--the Founding Fathers, the story of the pioneers and the winning of the west, the Pledge of Allegiance, Columbus Day, the Bill of Rights--is under constant assault. Some of our country's detractors vilify all that is traditionally American, while others would reduce our traditions to one more example of quaint folklore beside those of other nations. Russian culture can be found in Russia, Mexican culture in Mexico, multiculturalism in any major city... but where can one find American culture? Only in a place where Americans treasure it, and lovingly transmit it from generation to generation. Immigration laws should ensure that those who seek to live permanently on American territory be willing to adopt and preserve its culture. And they are useless unless they are enforced.


4. It's not your father's immigration.
Previous generations romanticized immigration. The images are still with us: Starry-eyed Irish, Italian, Jewish, and Polish arrivees toting their bags and trunks onto shore at Ellis Island... The tablet at the base of the Statue of Liberty exhorting other nations to "Give me your tired, your poor..." The native-born American learning to love pizza and bagels.

That was then. This is now.

Yes, there are still many people in foreign lands who harbor the "American dream," and who seek to come here to realize it.

Millions of illegal aliens, however, have attitudes and motives very different from those of the immigrants in the fading black-and-white photos of yesteryear. It's not fashionable to speak the truth about this group. But the truth must be spoken.

What makes this new breed of "immigrants" different? To begin with, they're not "immigrating" at all--they're sneaking in. They don't have an "American dream" of building this country; rather, though still loyal to their home nations, they want to exploit ours economically. Many even dream of taking over regions of our country, and displacing us. There's already a word for this goal: reconquista. If the members of this group don't intend to return home, yet have no loyalty to America, what should we call them? Certainly not "immigrants."

Colonists is perhaps a better term. Today's colonists, like those of the past, want to build enclaves on American soil from which they can expand their own wealth and power, and that of their homeland, while drawing on the resources that were created by the native population. How can we welcome legitimate immigrants while keeping out colonists? By knowing who is coming here, and why, and only admitting those whose presence is in our country's best interests. In other words, by enforcing immigration laws.


3. It's an issue we can all come together on.
Conservatives, traditionally, aim to preserve the valuable legacy of the past, and to protect freedom by limiting the power of government. Liberals seek to provide all citizens, even the most disadvantaged, with the opportunity to realize their full potential. Both have worthy goals, but often squabble over how to realize them.

Removing illegal aliens can give us the best of both worlds. We can preserve our traditional culture. And without resorting to costly and intrusive government programs, we can give our poor a genuine "hand up": as the glut of cheap labor dries up, those at the bottom rung of the economic ladder will suddenly find themselves able to climb higher without ruinous competition.

People of good will on the left and the right can only smile approvingly as the free market (hallowed by conservatives) provides our unskilled and uneducated with a decent wage, and with a job market that welcomes instead of marginalizes them (the well-meaning goal of liberal government programs).

We can "live better than we did four years ago" and have a rebirth of national pride, as President Reagan wanted for us. And we can have a "New Deal" for our poor, a society where no American is left out, which were the ideals of President Roosevelt.

At last, we can come together. Maybe that's what patriotism is all about.


2. We either face tough issues now, or tougher ones later.
Immigration issues are complex. We need a national debate--which, judging by the 2004 primary and general Presidential campaigns, isn't happening.

Most Americans, when confronted with the facts, will probably continue to want what they want now: strict enforcement of our immigration laws.

It won't be easy. We'll have to find workable ways to deport illegal aliens without creating unnecessary hardships for those who have broken our immigration laws, and without creating severe dislocations for the unscrupulous employers who have benefited from their presence. And, of course, we'll have to counter, with quiet reason, the voices of those who scream "discrimination" or "racism."

Some cringe at the challenges that await us.

These challenges, however, pale in comparison to those that future generations will face if we fail to act. Imagine an overcrowded, impoverished America with shrinking wages and expanding burdens on the social service system. Imagine an America where millions of Americans have been driven out of their neighborhoods by throngs of foreign colonists who neither speak our language nor understand the culture that created American prosperity--but who deeply resent the poverty that inevitably results from their own unwillingness, or inabilty, to live as true Americans.

Will Americans be forced to tax away their own shriveling wealth, and to transfer it to the aliens within our borders, if they wish to appease the colonists' anger? Will the shrinking American middle class merge with the alien underclass to form a new "peasant culture" while a tiny American elite trembles behind the walls of heavily policed gated communities? Or will full-scale cultural and racial war break out? None of these possibilities is appealing. Nonetheless, a society is a reflection of the population that comprises it. If we, as an advanced society with a low birthrate, continue to import a Third World population with a high birthrate, we will become a Third World society, and will face the problems which other Third World societies face as well.

Isn't it better to face the issue of illegal immigration now--and to do something about it?

... and the number one reason is:


1. We owe it to our kids and grandkids.
Our children and grandchildren will marvel at the digitized archives of the TV shows of the 1950s and 1960s. They'll see a prosperous, free, united America-- the envy of the world, a place anyone would be happy and proud to call home. This, they'll realize, was the legacy our grandparents and parents left us, the American citizens of the early 21st century.

How will the America we leave to our children stack up against the America our parents left to us? What will future generations think of us? Will we be known as the preservers and expanders of the beautiful legacy, or as its destroyers? By our actions or inactions, we're deciding which it will be. Right now.

....hmmm, last time I checked, there were no illegal aliens competing for my Corporate Position...just a bunch of damn Gen Y'ers with MBAs...I guess that if I were pickin strawberries or workin at McD's I would have a different POV...

hey steve,decent wages for all, if only all the non-americans went away! really, this from a country that rejected health reforms for its poorest. it amazes me, how many americans, are actually outside the system,ie, dont even have a social security card. as far as people hating americans, can you blame them, when american companys build plants like the one in bhopal, india, and avoid safety issues that would never see the light of day in america, then when the plant exploded, done everything possible to not pay any kind of compensation, to the thousands of familys who lost fathers, brothers etc. just one of many! also, the terrorists you speak of, are already in your country, and some of them are apparently american too, or did i miss something in oklahoma.
i live in a "border" city. detroit is 1 mile north. i dont like the fact that despite the laws of this country {canada}, all too many americans come over here, mainly the 19 year olds, as they can drink legally, and they bring their guns with them. one only has to watch the local news to see that almost everynight, there is some kind of shooting, in detroit. wow, thats a great mix, n"est-pas? all these kids getting drunk, and as soon as there is some kind of altercation, wild bill comes out. i'm not bashing america/americans, its just sad that some of you dont realise that for a majority, america is not nirvana.
last point. all the big three auto makers, are in a scramble to build plants in china. the market there is massive,compared to the home market. already, jobs are slipping away, to mexico, and china, all because of the huge profit margins to be realised by their cheap labour. you must be pretty naive, if you think the same decision makers will keep the jobs here in north america, just to keep the average american in a job, with your "decent" wage.
it would be really interesting, to hear a view from a native american, on this issue, but from what i already know, they get treated worse than anyone else, despite the fact that they were here first.
regards, bob. ex-royal navy, gulf war #1

Detroit is part of the US? Yikes!

i know, its way too scary!!!!