I'll look!

http://www.fordhamprep.org/socstud/Cases/code.htm

Every person guilty of murder in the first degree shall be punished by death, imprisonment in the state prison for life without the possibility of parole, or imprisonment in the state prison for a term of 25 years to life.

I looked for any thing that could lessen this time in this code but did not find it.

Of course, there is time reduced for some reasons. I could not find the documentation that parole boards would use. So it looks like 25 is the detemined sentence and the ones that were paroled served at least 20 years.

My idea of gun control is to use both hands....

(Stolen from the bumper sticker on a red-neck's truck)

-Z.

Is that on your gun or rifle? ;) SmileWavy

This ignors the fact that robbers look for victims who are least likely to put up a fight. The decrease in crime due to citizens having the right to CCW coorelates with decrease in crime. Allmost every criminal will tell you they would not commit a crime against a person they knew was carrying a gun. Of course there will always be those crimes that someone believes is "worth" the chance of getting shot. But it's not going to be for the $100 in someone's wallet or purse.

If the above scenerior was correct, then presently people who carry guns would have the cap busted in the back of their head. I just don't see police or armed security guards getting shot in the back of their head for their wallets.

The bottom line is there is absolutley no rational basis for gun control when criminals do not follow the rules.

I think if we all agreed that gun use against others, except for war, was unthinkable, then we would reach defacto gun control without banning guns.

But I do think there is some rational reason for some sort of control on guns ( safety interlocks, locked cabinets), it's to save lives.

There are plenty of videos showing armed robberys of convenience and jewelry stores. I could be wrong but it seems to me that the armed store owner has a much better chance of survival.

There are levels of gun control between taking away all guns and the free-for-all that currently exists. In PA for example the Gov tried to introduce a law that would limit handgun purchases per individual per year to 12, meaning you could only buy one per month. It was considered totally unacceptable. There have been several arrests in my area of people with no criminal records, but drug habits, buying handguns and trading them for drugs. These guns end up untraceable and in the underground. I for one would never advocate taking away guns and consider myself to be very left of liberal as most of you would define that evil word (I wear the label proudly). I think a well armed populace is needed to keep our government in check. Still, I cringe at the thought of 60,000 gun toting football fans on a Sunday afternoon in Philly.

Well, here in AZ packing is a long and time honored tradition. Still the wild west.

They also show an average time served of 20 months for simple posession of marijuana!(No intent to sell) Clearly there are not stats for first offenders. Still looking!

Gun control is the governments actions in denying a citizens ability to purchase or carry a firearm. Safety devises such as trigger locks and gun safes are just safety devises. I doubt anyone would disagree that safety devises are necessary.

Right on the mark. My grandfather was a big city cop all his life. He always told me to fear the assailent with a knife as he is not afraid of you and will get up in your face to prove it. Any coward can pull the trigger from 30 feet.

except when keeping a gun locked securely in a safe makes it basically useless for self-defense.

That's why you keep the one your carrying without a safety devise, but the ones at home in a safe.

I love how people who support gun control bring up the 'escalation' aspect. So some guy threatens me (and/or my family, etc), and my pulling a gun and exterminating him is somehow BAD because it ESCALATED the violence? What the hell does that MEAN? He's dead and I'm alive. What is SO bad about that?

In many of their (anti-gun people) minds, it's just much more noble to allow yourself to become a victim, than to risk injury by protecting yourself through means equal or greater than the threat against you.

But then I ask them to consider this: You allow yourself to be a victim to an armed criminal. You do nothing to stop him, or to protect yourself. I hold you partially responsible for all of that criminal's future crimes. "all that it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing".

Case in point. A serial rapist was attacking women at UNC some years back. His last victim awoke to find him on top of her in her bedroom, attempting to rape her. She was able to grab her handgun from her nightstand and terminate his attack. And his life. They later identified him as the same man who attacked, IIRC, 9 other women. If our heroic young lady had not killed him, how many more would be dead?

Escalate? Sheesh. Get real. What would you rather have? A dead criminal or a dead victim?

Someone else got it right when they mentioned one phenomena: Criminals choose to victimize those they perceive as defenseless or easy prey.

From my cold dead fingers...

"An armed society is a polite society."

RIGHT

next time I see a gang-banger I will be sure to stop and say hi. Next time I see a group of gang bangers I will be sure to stop and see if I can hang with them. maybe they would be interested in tea? we could compare our handguns and what not.

I am not for the kind of loony gun control like that looney web page talkes about, nor do I know anyone who is. That web page is extreme which makes it just as bad as some extreme leftist web page!

www.liberalswithguns.com

stupid extreme BS is all it is. cute little stupid pictures on your cute little stupid post.

Kyle

It said an 'armed society'... not 'armed criminals'.

One SERIOUS failure of (no offense) people like you, is to differentiate between CRIMINALS with guns, and LAW ABIDING CITIZENS with guns. They are two ENTIRELY different things.

;)

Been There Done That
 

Actually Kyle, after I pulled a gun on a kid in my house at 2am and he ran instead of deciding to see how serious I was. Afterwards, all the vandalism and other crap around my house, stopped! And I'll tell you this when I would see the little varmit around the neighborhood (I knew he was the perp, but couldn't prove it) well he and his little buddies were far more polite and respectful. Maybe the thought of what could have happened made him realize that not all of us sheep are without teeth.

Also, as far as escalation, let me tell you, never give a crook an even chance. Try to negotiate and you lose the initiative, the whole idea of deadly force is to use it without hesitation. If you don't fear for your life, than deadly force is not required. 2am, stranger in the house, ???? the perp and I are not going to discuss it.

During the LA riots I had a anti-gun boss ask me to borrow a gun and ammo. I refused, as it is against the law to do so. He got a real eye-opener about how much protection the authorities would provide him in his time of need. Cripes, the police were overwhelmed. What could they do? Well the other part of this is the little test I gave him. I asked him if he were faced with a person with a knife in his face and he had a handgun in the knife wielder’s face what would he do? Well my boss contemplated his answer, to which I told him that he shouldn’t get a gun. He was a little shocked at my quick response. When I told him that the only correct answer was to pull the trigger he gave me a perplexed look. I explained that if he hesitated in anyway in that situation or had to take any time to think about it, he would be in serious trouble. Given the circumstances as described, once the weapons are drawn the decision has been made and it is a simple matter of implementation. He actually was good with this reasoning and did not by a handgun; I think he got some good running shoes, as that is equally effective in not allowing the situation to develop.

Sorry for running on, but I have been there more than once and I am absolutely convinced that the escalation factor is BS. Simply put if someone is threatening you and underestimates you, they have either not thought the situation through or they have no fear. The old cliché “peace through superior fire power” has some validity.

Danimal

One SERIOUS failure of (no offense) people like you, is to differentiate between CRIMINALS with guns, and LAW ABIDING CITIZENS with guns. They are two ENTIRELY different things

really?

well I am not buying it sorry.

lets see a polite society. well, gang-bangers are a part of life because thay will always be here. so I am gonna go ahead and call them a part of society. or atleast a part that society will have to live with. so no, an armed society has not yet proven to be polite.

here is even another angle

so gang-bangers are not a part of society. does that mean that people who choose that life are a part of a seprate society? a society not associated with yours? there again an armed society is not a polite society.

becides, I keep hearing that same old arguement from the pro-CCW people. They (criminals) already carry concieled so we should too. well, to me that is kinda compareing yourself to a criminal. they (criminals) also rob banks, so since they (criminals) do it. we should as well. right??

people like me? am I not a part of your society? not really sure who people like me are? I am from Nebraska are you refering to other nebraskans?

Kyle