Dan,

You did right regarding that perp in your house. You also illustrate a good point that needs to be made: Defending yourself with a gun doesn't neccessarily mean you have to shoot/kill someone. Most criminals are pretty cowardly, and will crap their pants and run when faced with an armed victim.

We've got heaps of guns - just hardly any handguns (its an island nation remember) and no culture of shooting the crap out of each other (same with Switzerland). In fact, Switzerland is better because they all get trained in using the guns and there are serious punishments for using any of the std issue ammo they get with their gun.

You guys can't possibly imagine what this feels like, and unfortunately it is impossible for it to happen in the USA. The handguns, etc, and the "need" to protect yourself with one is already there (to some extent physically and certainly psychologically).

However, in NZ that isn't the case, and its great. Much better than the US.

The dude who got shot was a Triad revenge killing, apparently.

Gang Bangers and Society
 

Couple of Points Kyle. First of all criminals and gang bangers usually have "ANTI-SOCIAL" personalities and a lifestyle "OUTSIDE OF CIVILIZED LAW" so yeah, they are not considered part of the main stream. Otherwise, why lock them up? Oh is it because their environment made them do it?

Also, we carry weapons in the military. We are not criminals. Those in the military that use their weapons illegally are held accountable and are ostracized from the military main stream, just like we do in society.

Danimal

IS there a troll on the loose?
 

Kyle,

Are you jerking us around? Just a little maybe???? I have a good friend who is a master at doing this type of thing. It leads to some great exchanges.

Danimal

Couple of Points Kyle. First of all criminals and gang bangers usually have "ANTI-SOCIAL" personalities and a lifestyle "OUTSIDE OF CIVILIZED LAW" so yeah, they are not considered part of the main stream. Otherwise, why lock them up? Oh is it because their environment made them do it?

Also, we carry weapons in the military. We are not criminals. Those in the military that use their weapons illegally are held accountable and are ostracized from the military main stream, just like we do in society.

I really have no idea what your point is in that post. but I gotta tell ya. I really dont care ya know. I will not argue this stupid bs with you anymore good bye.

Kyle

Kyle
 

I'm not baiting you. But don't quit now. The point is that criminals are anti-social. As in outside of society. Hang in there, this was just starting to get good.

Danimal

Oooooh, you look so badass. :rolleyes:

If I was in charge of doling out gun licences, anyone posing with a gun wouldn't get one. Sorry - that's the way I feel.

To bad, you just don't get it. That picture was for a work related function and since I was raised with guns, have the proper respect for weapons. Of course, if America started off as a penal colony, we would have your gun laws, which I hear from a friend who has a band down under, he has a much different attitude on how much more crime and how bad it has gotten since your government effectively disarmed its citizens.
A few residents of my safe.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1120786724.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1120786775.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1120786806.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1120786827.jpg :D

Australia started as a penal colony, we were more about whaling then later on, gold.

Do you not see the irony in this statement? Why is toting around a gun looking tough for a work function supposed to make me believe you have the proper respect for weapons?

"band down under, he has a much different attitude on how much more crime and how bad it has gotten since your government effectively disarmed its citizens"

Are you referring to Australia? I'd be interested to see the stats as I live in sydney and violent crime has been falling in the last couple of years. The govt didn't effectively disarm its citizens as most citizens didn't have arms to begin with (amazing huh). Most of the weapons handed in during the amnesty period were not handguns. There never was a handgun-right to bear arms culture here.

Now lets compare violent crime rates in this city to a comparable one in the us. Then compare death by firearm rates etc. I don't know if the actual guns are the problem in your society or the gun mentality (as shown by the above pics). Probably a combination of both I would suspect. Not my concern either way - don't plan a move in the near or distant future.

hehehe...

http://www.frayadjacent.com/pics/dangerous.jpg

You drive a Porsche, so you must know that logically, it is not the car that causes fast driving, but the driver. Thus the gun doesn't cause anything. Guns do not CAUSE crime. Guns do not CAUSE people to commit crimes.

As for the 'gun mentality'... just what the heck is that supposed to mean? So many people in other countries talk about the 'US gun culture', yet the only things they have to go on are US TV shows and movies. Those things do not portray how things are for people like me - your average, levelheaded LAW ABIDING citizen who owns firearms.

Again, I'll point it out, it seems that some people fail to differentiate between a CRIMINAL and a LAW ABIDING CITIZEN.

If any of you have been in Combat, you will understand the difference owning a gun makes....................69-70 Infantry Viet Nam,used it alot

Matt....ever have one pointed at YOU like that? If you did you never forget it. That's WHY I own a gun. Thank God I lived to tell you that.

Again, I'll point it out, it seems that some people fail to differentiate between a CRIMINAL and a LAW ABIDING CITIZEN.

to keep this on topic, one similarity between a "CRIMINAL" and a "LAW ABIDING CITIZEN" is that they both can have guns. even a guy with a felony does not have too much difficulty getting a gun. Now please tell us some diffrences but please stay on topic.

Thanks,
Kyle

I own several guns but I will not post any pics

Matt ..just noticed your a Texan. Never mind. You ALL own guns in that state.

A Colt 1911 no doubt. Best there is.

Technically, criminals CAN'T have guns. It's illegal. So what you just mentioned shoots down all arguments for gun control as a means of reducing crime. Criminals disobey the laws anyway, so why bother with 'em.

You want differences? Do I REALLY need to give you differences between law abiding citizens and criminals? :rolleyes: