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bryanthompson 07-14-2005 11:35 AM
So, you accept that he lied about who sent him? Good, we have some progress.

lendaddy 07-14-2005 11:39 AM
Keep it together Tech, your web of lost logic is unraveling:)

techweenie 07-14-2005 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by bryanthompson
So, you accept that he lied about who sent him? Good, we have some progress.
Please highlight where it says Plame had the authority to send him.

bryanthompson 07-14-2005 11:59 AM
How are we supposed to even have an honest conversation on this if you can't even admit that he lied in his own words about this.

These are JOE WILSON'S OWN WORDS:
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There have been assertions made -- [ applause ] there have been assertions made that my wife was somehow responsible for my trip, as if it made a difference
this is in the OFFICIAL REPORT:
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Plame "offered up" Wilson's name for the Niger trip

bryanthompson 07-14-2005 12:01 PM
Does anyone have a link to the article Wilson wrote? I think he says with a definite "no" that his wife had nothing to do with his vacation to Nigeria.

Moneyguy1 07-14-2005 12:05 PM
bryan..I see no conflict in the quote you post. He neither affirms or denies..he just states that assertions have been made.

Am I missing something?

lendaddy 07-14-2005 12:06 PM
Yes Bob you are, on many occasions Wilson claimed his wife had nothing to do with it/wasn;t involved/etc..

Moneyguy1 07-14-2005 12:11 PM
len..I was simply referring to the quote that bryan posted..

I have come up with the following conclusion:

There is no such thing as truth in politics. Everything is opinion and the individual(s) who opine with the most fervor and determination are the ones who do the best job of convincing the public that their fiction is the truth. Therefore, political debate is fruitless since everyone lies to themselves and to each other for reasons not altogether clear.

bryanthompson 07-14-2005 12:11 PM
Wilson interview with TalonNews:
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TN: Did your wife suggest you for the mission?

Wilson: No. The decision to ask me to go out to Niger was taken in a meeting at which there were about a dozen analysts from both the CIA and the State Department. A couple of them came up and said to me when we're going through the introductory phase, "We have met at previous briefings that you have done on other subjects, Africa-related."

Not one of those at that meeting could I have told you what they look like, would I recognize on the street, or remember their name today. And as old as I am, I can still recognize my wife, and I still do remember her name. That was the meeting at which the decision was made to ask me if I would clear my schedule to go.

TN: An internal government memo prepared by U.S. intelligence personnel details a meeting in early 2002 where your wife, a member of the agency for clandestine service working on Iraqi weapons issues, suggested that you could be sent to investigate the reports. Do you dispute that?

Wilson: I don't know anything about a meeting, I can only tell you about the meeting I was at where I was asked if I would prepare to go, and there was nobody at that meeting that I know. Now that fact that my wife knows that I know a lot about the uranium business and that I know a lot about Niger and that she happens to be involved in weapons of mass destruction, it should come as no surprise to anyone that we know of each others activities.

lendaddy 07-14-2005 12:12 PM
I agree, it gets very muddy in the pits. I try to boil it down, it's not always easy.

bryanthompson 07-14-2005 12:13 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html
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"Valerie had nothing to do with the matter," Wilson wrote in a memoir published this year. "She definitely had not proposed that I make the trip."

Wilson stood by his assertion in an interview yesterday, saying Plame was not the person who made the decision to send him. Of her memo, he said: "I don't see it as a recommendation to send me."

Moneyguy1 07-14-2005 12:16 PM
That is far clearer.

Thanks. Just trying to think for myself...

lendaddy 07-14-2005 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by Moneyguy1
That is far clearer.

Thanks. Just trying to think for myself...
I respect that, fact is it's difficult to tell in here. Many times when I am honestly trying to learn the position of the other side it is taken as mockery or a "set-up" it's not. I really am curious as to what the other side not only believes, but how they got there.

lendaddy 07-14-2005 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by techweenie
Please highlight where it says Plame had the authority to send him.
Uh ohhhhhhh

CIA Director George Tenet: “In An Effort To Inquire About Certain Reports Involving Niger, CIA’s Counter-Proliferation Experts, On Their Own Initiative , Asked An Individual With Ties To The Region To Make A Visit To See What He Could Learn.”

:)

techweenie 07-14-2005 12:30 PM
Please highlight where it says Plame had the authority to send him.

lendaddy 07-14-2005 12:30 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by techweenie
Please highlight where it says Plame had the authority to send him.
Nice try:)

techweenie 07-14-2005 12:40 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by lendaddy
Nice try:)
So you gave up trying, huh?

bryanthompson 07-14-2005 12:42 PM
tech, did he lie?

And it seems she wasn't too serious about staying undercover anyway: (vanity fair article: http://www.jimgilliam.com/2004/01/vanity_fairs_profile_on_joseph_wilson_and_valerie_ plame.php)
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He had met Plame in February 1997 at a reception at the Washington home of the Turkish ambassador. He says that when his eyes fell on her from across the room he thought he knew her. He realized as he drew near that he did not-and that it was love at first sight. From that moment on, he says, "she did not let anyone into the conversation, and I did not let anyone into the conversation."

At the time, Wilson was based in Stuttgart, serving as the political adviser to George Joulwan, the U.S. general in charge of the European command; Plame was based in Brussels. Meeting in Paris, London, and Brussels, they got very serious very quickly. On the third or fourth date, he says, they were in the middle of a "heavy make-out" session when she said she had something to tell him. She was very conflicted and very nervous, thinking of everything that had gone into getting her to that point, such as money and training.

She was, she explained, undercover in the C.I.A. "It did nothing to dampen my ardor," he says. "My only question was: Is your name really Valerie?"

bryanthompson 07-14-2005 12:43 PM
You're not even putting up an argument. We've PROVEN that he LIED, when you guys say someone lies, all you have is bull***** conspiracy theories. We've given his own words and official testimony, and you STILL can't admit that he lied!

lendaddy 07-14-2005 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by techweenie
So you gave up trying, huh?
lol, you want her full name listed with job description or are initials enough? How about we just accept that she was one of the CIA’s Counter-Proliferation Experts???? Naw, couldn't do that:)

Thanks for the laugh on a long Thursday though:)


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