Yep, it's really bad!

[red-beard]

Gas Prices are really up. But, hey, look at the Great White North...

[mikester]

Man, I've been paying in the realm of $2.65-$2.75 here in LA. I have one station that is usually $.15 cheaper than the average...

Also taking the bus as much as possible.

[FrayAdjacent911]

Yeah, but is that Canadian dollars??

[911mot]

Hah that's nothing.

We pay 1.6 of your american dollars.... PER LITRE!

[FrayAdjacent911]

911mot, that's because you get bent over on taxes over there!

Our taxes aren't quite as bad. But I wonder how things would change if we got up to having to pay that much. I bet there would be a hell of a lot more small and efficient cars sold, and public transportation would suddenly become much more popular!

[red-beard]

No, they are converted to US$ and US Gallons.

None of those "Imperial" Gallons. Remember those?

[Porsche-O-Phile]

It's getting crazy down here - there's one gas station in particular (on PCH) that's been over $3.00 a gallon for some time now. I honestly wonder how they stay in business considering there's a competitor station no less than 1/2 mile away that's at least $0.30 cheaper. Maybe it's a front for laundering money or running drugs or somethin'. Who knows. Point is, it won't be long before it's $3.00 and pushing $4.00 everywhere. I suspect regular 87-octane pump gas will be pushing $4.00 by the end of the year.

[creaturecat]

3.95 U.S. for 1 U.S. gal of premium in Vancouver

[coldstart]

No, that chart compares apples to apples for Canadians. It isn't the price of gas that is different, just the taxes. The government actually charges GST (7%) on the gas tax, so they TAX THE TAX. What a ripoff.

And on top of that, income tax is much higher here in Canada and EVERYTHING is in Ontario is subject to a 7% federal government sales tax (GST) and a 8% provincial sales tax (PST). That is the true cost of free healthcare. The whiners go to the hospital when they get a cold. Oh, I forgot, they have added a 'healthcare premium' in Ontario as the government pledged no new taxes but needed to suck additional blood out of those who actually work for a living. I'm bitter.....

[Serge914]

First thing we notice when we cross the border is the quantity of big cars, Pick-up and SUV you guys are driving, guess why. There are a lot of 4WD cars and small SUV over here because of the snow but I always wonder why there are so many of them in Florida where the road are so smooth.

[techweenie]

It's interesting to go back five years and see that President Dunderhead was able to save us from (gasp) $30+ a barrel oil prices:

"... The difference between Vice President Gore and Governor Bush could not be more clear. The Bush proposal is $7.1 billion over 10 years; the Gore proposal is 10 times that amount, some $80 to $125 billion. The Vice President has said he has an energy plan that focuses not only on increasing the supply but also working on the consumption side.

The facts show the Vice President doesn't necessarily practice what he preaches. The Vice President wants to raise prices and limit supply of fossil energy which makes up over 80 percent of our energy needs. By discouraging domestic production, the Clinton-Gore administration has forced us to be more dependent on foreign oil, placing our Nation's security at risk. All we have to do is witness the growing influence of Iraq, Saddam Hussein, and the Middle East as a result of our increasing dependence on foreign oil. How can we be an honest broker in the Middle East peace process when we are beholden to Israel's sworn enemy, Saddam Hussein, to keep our citizens warm this winter?

We currently import 600,000 barrels a day from Iraq. The Vice President's only answer is to give solar, wind, and biomass energy technologies that are not widely available or affordable. We have expended $6 billion in a combination of grants and subsidies for alternative energy. I am all for these alternative energies, but they still consist of less than 4 percent of our energy. It is incomprehensible to me that we would fail to recognize that we have to rely on our conventional sources--oil, natural gas, hydroelectric, and nuclear. The Vice President seems to have forgotten these basic sources of energy. As a matter of fact, we need a mix of all of the above.

In contrast, Governor Bush would put together a comprehensive energy policy for America that uses the fuels of today to get the technologies of tomorrow. The energy policy would contain three major components:

First, increased domestic production of oil and natural gas to meet today's consumer demands for energy;

second, increased use of alternative fuels and renewable energy to help us transition into the technologies of tomorrow;

third, improve energy efficiency to save American consumers money and reduce emissions of air pollutants and greenhouse gases.

Governor Bush would encourage new domestic oil and gas exploration right here at home. He has said:

The only way to become less dependent on foreign sources of crude oil is to explore here at home.

Just opening the ANWR Coastal Plain in my State increases domestic production capability by better than a million barrels a day, more than twice the amount we currently import from Iraq."

--excerpt from Mr. MURKOWSKI - Congressman, Alaska 10/31/00

Thank goodness Bush's policy was so wonderful and comprehensive that electing him reduced the price of oil from its untenable $30/barrel, eh?

[Steeve]

The price of gas is one of the few things that makes me happy to live in Houston during the summer...

I can sweat a little bit more if it means that I can spend 20-50% less than other (cooler) states on gas.

[yellowline]

$2.64 for Shell V-Power (93) around here. That's cream of the crop. My 91 Sunoco is $2.57.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by techweenie
......"... The difference between Vice President Gore and Governor Bush could not be more clear. ...

No kidding...and the voters recognized that. Thank God!

[fintstone]

After years of liberals ondemning the administration's various energy plans ...and blocking the plan for years...now the complaint is that the blocked plans were not effective.

And the price of gas in the US is still lower than it was in the 80's when you factor in inflation. Even bottled water costs more.

[JavaBrewer]

Originally posted by 911mot
Hah that's nothing.

We pay 1.6 of your american dollars.... PER LITRE!

Oh quit your whining...I wish we had the public transport you have

[M.D. Holloway]

Originally posted by yellowline
$2.64 for Shell V-Power (93) around here. That's cream of the crop. My 91 Sunoco is $2.57.

We do a bunch of biz with fuel jobbers - let me tell you straight up, Gas is Gas. They buy and sell it like pork bellies and the only difference between the companies is the marketing.

Now, octane is different and I actually did a personal study with two different cars over the a years time comparing 89 v. 91 and found I got a 4gpm increase with the 91 but the price increase made it a perfect wash.

Thiswhole fuel yhing is the biggest scam ever! The price will continue to go up becuase it is not directly painful yet. Wait till it hits $100/brl than see what that does to the cost of milk and bread and fruit and veggies! The raising costs of fuel will really hurt the transportaion companies which have to build that into operating costs. margins have to stay the same so they increase the cost to the stores. Stores run on super tight margins and the costs get thrown to consumers - so in order to keep eveyone happy, daddy and Mommy look for better payomh jobs. God forbid anyone actually goes with out something!!!

[red-beard]

MARKET ALERT
from The Wall Street Journal.


Aug. 8, 2005

Crude oil for September rose $1.64 on Nymex, settling at a nominal record of $63.95 a barrel, as investors worried about Saudi Arabian output after the U.S. closed its embassy there over security threats. Oil, which touched $64 intraday, is well off its 1980 peak of $93.40 when adjusted for inflation.

[rob justice]

"I wish we had the public transport you have"

Maybe in Londen public transport is an option but elsewhere and especially up here - its almost non existant.
I was offered a job in Glasgow last week - total of 60 miles each way but it would be impossible to travel that distance daily. Only option would be to rent someplace nearby.
Don't let anyone kid you public transport is the viable option.

[Serge914]

Originally posted by LubeMaster77
Wait till it hits $100/brl than see what that does to the cost of milk and bread and fruit and veggies! The raising costs of fuel will really hurt the transportaion companies ...

I believe this is good on the long term. It will push people to buy local. Why buy apples that comes from the other side of the country? Why buy computers that comes from the other side of the planet ?

Less transportation will simply mean less pollution.