Why do liberals have such a hatred for WalMart?

[Dan Mc Intyre]

While I'm sensitive to the labor issues surrounding WalMart, they provide prices i take advantage of and services I use.

For example, when I'm on the road with my camper, I can stop and overnight in their parking lot and am welcomed there as well. That came in handy this year on vacation. My battery died our first night out. Fortunately, we had stopped at a WalMart and I just walked in and bought a new one.

I like the place, not their employment policies.

[911pcars]

"If unions or Democrats cared anything about wages and health care they would be full tilt trying to stop the flow of illegal aliens...."

Since they are in power, I haven't seen any evidence of our current administration doing anything about illegal aliens. Could it be that our administration favors lower cost labor to maximize profits for agriculture, manufacturing and service industries? Nah.

"If Democrats or unions cared for the little guy they would stop their frivolous lawsuit buddies rape and pillage of the medical industry and pharmaceuticals (lowering medical costs)."

You're right. Prescription costs would be lower if the pharmacutical industry were deregulated and protected from law suits.

BTW, are you or any loved ones taking any of these medications?

Vioxx
Zyprexa
Risperdal
Seroquel
Bextra
Amiodarone
Permax
Crestor
Bextra
Palladone

Bon appetit,
Sherwood

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by 911pcars
Since they are in power, I haven't seen any evidence of our current administration doing anything about illegal aliens. Could it be that our administration favors lower cost labor to maximize profits for agriculture, manufacturing and service industries? Nah.

Because every time we try we get called racist and the attempt at stopping the illegals is used as a bludgeon to beat Republicans over the head for their Mexican and neo-socialist constituency.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by 911pcars
[B]"If Democrats or unions cared for the little guy they would stop their frivolous lawsuit buddies rape and pillage of the medical industry and pharmaceuticals (lowering medical costs)."

You're right. Prescription costs would be lower if the pharmacutical industry were deregulated and protected from law suits.

The actual cost reduction if the drug industry didn't have to pay judgements would be between -1.5 and 2%.

Dont fall for the massive PR campaign behind big business' attempts to avoid liability. Big awards are rare, and most are cut way down on appeal. But the corporate PR campaign would have you believe all major industries are paying out gazillions. It's just not true. The really powerful ones get the government to indemnify them and pay directly (witness the airline companies, post-9/11 who did not want trial discovery to reveal that boxcutters were prohibited).

As for the illegal alien situation, it's Republicans who will be least likely to act. When party pressure caused Pete Wilson to crack down on illegals in San Diego, one of his biggest contributors lost something like 40% of his staff in one raid. Needless to say, Wilson never did that again. The businesses of California are completely dependent on illegals, and the biggest ones contribute big to the Republicans to keep the issue on the back burner.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Superman
Y'know, I coulda swore that you had a little problem with entitlement programs in general, so I'm a bit surprised to find that you support a business model that takes advantage of your tax dollars and drives small businesses bankrupt. I guess I still don't understand the conservative position. Perhaps you could outline it again for us in using this Wal-Mart model as an illustration. Please.

When did Democrats become the party of the small-business owner?...Must be the new fabricated talking point. Convenient rationale, disingenious as it may be, for destroying Walmart because they will not cave to unionization, increased prices to consumers and a lazy good-for-nothing work force that is unaccountable and overpaid; not to mention corrupt union bosses.

[skipdup]

Thugs and crooks.

They are not in existence to help workers get a fair wage. They are not in existence to help negotiate with the big bad boogy men of the corporation. They are not in existence to protect the less powerful.

Stop fooling yourselves, they are in existence for money and power.

- Skip

[Superman]

Originally posted by techweenie


As for the illegal alien situation, it's Republicans who will be least likely to act. When party pressure caused Pete Wilson to crack down on illegals in San Diego, one of his biggest contributors lost something like 40% of his staff in one raid. Needless to say, Wilson never did that again. The businesses of California are completely dependent on illegals, and the biggest ones contribute big to the Republicans to keep the issue on the back burner.

Yep. It has been highly amusing to me (unfortunately the not funny part has been the deterioration of my country under this current so-called leadership) to watch Dubya squirm on this one. He says he wants to fight terrorism, but politically he cannot make a move that would restrict alien access to our country from Mexico. GWB's from Texas, you know.

Oh, and for those who think unions are a problem because they have become too big and powerful......look at the facts first before you say stuff like this. Frankly, one of the dynamics that are making labor unions act inappropriately right now is just exactly the opposite. Forty years ago, probably at least a third of the nation was union. That number has continually fallen during that entire period, and unions are fankly dying on the vine. What you're seeing is desperation, not power abuse.

Like Mike correctly says, even though he's not a union supporter, what gives corporations a right to organize, but not workers? Why is it that our American values place money (particularly investment money) always before people?

[dhoward]

Originally posted by techweenie
The actual cost reduction if the drug industry didn't have to pay judgements would be between -1.5 and 2%.

Dont fall for the massive PR campaign behind big business' attempts to avoid liability. Big awards are rare, and most are cut way down on appeal. But the corporate PR campaign would have you believe all major industries are paying out gazillions. It's just not true.
...Rambling Snipped....

How about the cost of litigation smart guy? Factor that in as it directly affects my paycheck.....

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Superman
Like Mike correctly says, even though he's not a union supporter, what gives corporations a right to organize, but not workers? Why is it that our American values place money (particularly investment money) always before people?

Why aren't pastors and priests allowed to exercise their rights of free-speech from the pulpit, but unions are allowed to campaign and coerce their respective unions to vote for candidates?...Why is it socialists put the state's interest before the people's?...Socialism and its concomitant unionization has always been at the expense of the people...from higher taxes, to higher prices for goods and services, to business strangulation resulting in outsourcing of manufacturing.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by skipdup
Thugs and crooks.

They are not in existence to help workers get a fair wage. They are not in existence to help negotiate with the big bad boogy men of the corporation. They are not in existence to protect the less powerful.

Stop fooling yourselves, they are in existence for money and power.

- Skip

You've seen me post I don't like unions either Skip, but Corporations are full of big bad bogeymen. Just pick up the paper and see who just got 20+ years or so.

Plus, I hope to be one of those corporate raiders in the future. All this G9Girl power stuff is just a smokescreen for now cause the company isn't worth much. Give us 5 years and 8 digit annual sales and I'll have all sorts of corp jets, a fleet of 911s and summer homes in the Hamptons and France all at the expense of our child-based labor sweatshops.

Man, I can't wait. Good times to come!

[skipdup]

Shaun- Sure, there's bad dudes in business. And, when caught, they get 20 years. And I laugh and applaud.

But, they're still crooks & thugs. They're still in it for many & power.

[skipdup]

Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
Plus, I hope to be one of those corporate raiders in the future. All this G9Girl power stuff is just a smokescreen for now cause the company isn't worth much. Give us 5 years and 8 digit annual sales and I'll have all sorts of corp jets, a fleet of 911s and summer homes in the Hamptons and France all at the expense of our child-based labor sweatshops.

Man, I can't wait. Good times to come!

Shaun - Your the bestest coolest dude I know. Remember me my friend!

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
You mean the cleaning crews that the liberal border county politicians want to have free unfettered access to America, driver's licenses, free school and medical care?...The illegal cleaning crews that eventually work their way up to having their own businesses?...You are in some intellectually dishonest way trying to say they are slave labor?

More liberal problem creating and solution offering at work...schizophrenic in its logic.

What??? Show me the data to back THAT one up...

IIRC illegal aliens from Mexico send $8 billion a year back to Mexico. Hey, that must be great for the economy!

So let's see:

1) You're in favor of employing illegal aliens
2) You're in favor of employing illegal aliens to avoid OSHA
3) You're calling me a liberal? I think your compass is busted!

[dd74]

I've heard it once said that shopping at Wal Mart is un-American. Is that true?

[dhoward]

Bush hates Wal-Mart.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by BlueSkyJaunte
So let's see:

1) You're in favor of employing illegal aliens
2) You're in favor of employing illegal aliens to avoid OSHA
3) You're calling me a liberal? I think your compass is busted!

No, I am for a massive roundup and deportation...Libs call me a racist when I say it.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by BlueSkyJaunte
What??? Show me the data to back THAT one up...

I was born and raised in Los Angeles...I know many an affluent Mexican born family that came here with nothing and made it, yes even after being slaves at Walmart (or similar big mean nasty corporation or whitey small business evildoer).

[dd74]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
No, I am for a massive roundup and deportation...

What happens, then, to the economy? You're not going to see some white middle manager cleaning bathrooms for minimum wage at best.

[Mulhollanddose]

You are also not going to see housing prices through the roof in Los Angeles...You aren't going to see taxes as high to pay for welfare to illegals and schooling...You aren't going to see public hospitals closing down because of free-bee health care.

dd74...they are more of a drain to the economy than anything else...they cost more than they contribute.

Enough is enough...come on bro, I mean from one Angelino to another, PC has to stop somewhere.

[CamB]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
I was born and raised in Los Angeles...I know many an affluent Mexican born family that came here with nothing and made it, yes even after being slaves at Walmart (or similar big mean nasty corporation or whitey small business evildoer).

But why don't all Mexican born families become "made"?