War, over gas prices??

[Wolf1]

Just curious, how many people would support a war to stabilize and reduce gas prices in the US?

Should we have some sort of ownership of a country and its resources after a war?

Please vote.

Opinions anyone?

[Wolf1]

Originally posted by mikester
I thought that's what Iraq was about.

Me too, atleast I hoped.

However, last time I checked the price of gas it doesn't seem to be working. As far as I know, we have no more control over Iraq's fuel resources now than we did before the war.

I think that out of control fuel prices are as much of a threat to our security and economy as the threat of terrorist activity.

Maybe I'm just pi$$ed because it cost me nearly $100.00 to fill my truck with gas today...

[WaA420]

Relax everyone,

Gestapo Gregiore and some other lefties axed Bush and the FTC to look into some price gouging goin on. Apparently the price of a gallon of gas got a little too high too fast, but they should have'er dialed in very soon.

[AFJuvat]

I can forsee sweetheart deals with a stabilized iraqi government as "thanks" for liberating them.

$4 a barrel would be nice.

AFJ

[red-beard]

Ask me next week.

[svandamme]

a war so you can get what you want?

sounds a lot like the bully at school , if you don't hand over your lunch money , he beats the crap out of you...

keep in mind , that Japan did this ... WW2 with the japanese started over oil... Hitler going after the oil fields on the east front... that was about oil... so was the north africa campaign .. Rommel was there ... for oil ( sand is not such an important commodity )

is that the new mission plan or what?

[gaijindabe]

Originally posted by Wolf1


Maybe I'm just pi$$ed because it cost me nearly $100.00 to fill my truck with gas today...

Is this a work truck? And you need one so big? If so, I am feeling your pain Man.

If that not the case, well, I will keep my opinion to myself..

[DaveE]

On the other hand, Haliburton stock was in the $30 range before the war and in the $60s now...............

[IROC]

Originally posted by svandamme
sounds a lot like the bully at school , if you don't hand over your lunch money , he beats the crap out of you...

That pretty much sums it up. Chavez and Jong have $20 bills hanging out of their back pockets right now and it's killing us...

Whether or not this war is really about oil or not doesn't mitigate the "bully" analogy.

Mike

[coloradoporsche]

I can forsee sweetheart deals with a stabilized iraqi government as "thanks" for liberating them.

Some conservatives have been talking about this since before the war started.....about how a liberated Iraq would be so grateful that they would pay us back for the cost of the war.

Somehow, I'm guessing the American taxpayers will continue picking up the tab, AND paying higher gas prices. It's not really in the current administration's best interest to reduce the cost of oil, or the cost of the war.

I'll keep looking in my mailbox for the "thank you" check from Iraq, but no luck so far.

[targa911S]

Do you REALLY think that would lower the price? I doubt it.

[ronin]

WAR! good gawd, y'all. what it is good fo'...

lower gas prices? not so sure about that

[jyl]

Maybe the people who voted "yes" could explain how they think a war would help control/reduce gasoline prices. What kind of war, in what circumstances?

I sort of suspect you guys voted "yes" without thinking through what you were voting for and how it could help things.

[carnutzzz]

I voted yes.

jyl- You seem to be thinking outside the boundaries of the poll.

Our best war to lower prices would be a civil one- against the treehuggers. Nothing violent- maybe just a mild laxative in their soy latte. Then when they're distracted, we can build refineries, drill in Alaska, and get our prices back on track.

If we all agree that oil is crucial to our way of life, and someone threatened oil (which we know is crucial), why would we not go to war?

Seems like a no-brainer to me. You go to war to protect your way of life.

Welcome to the human race.

[carnutzzz]

Oh and by the way- for those that answered "Probably not, war is never the answer." -are you serious? That must be the silly California air messing with your logic.

If you were here I'd steal your milk money.

[dd74]

Originally posted by coloradoporsche
Some conservatives have been talking about this since before the war started.....about how a liberated Iraq would be so grateful that they would pay us back for the cost of the war.

Well, if that were the reason for the war, there would be some legitimacy for its undertaking other than some of the lame excuses of WMDs and harboring terrorists.

At the same point, if keeping oil prices low via an eternally grateful Iraq were the real reason for going to Iraq, that's a hell of a stupid way to waste nearly 2,000 lives.

If the U.S. wanted cheap oil out of Iraq, then it should have dealt with the devil already known in Saddam. At least the pipe lines weren't being blown up when he was in power.

[svandamme]

if you ask me , human kind has gone over the hill and there is but one way to go from here...downhill

even when the world is obviously changing, we are more worried about the impact to our cozy way of life , rather than worry about the big global issues (over population , 3rd world nations, sustainable energy, sustainable agriculture etc etc. )

we've taken up almost all usable space on the planet, and we consume more than we need a,more than nature can provide

basic arrogancy on behalf of our species and especially in the so called most civilized polulations among us.

don't get me wrong , i'm no treehugger , not even an activist , i do realize that that kind of idealisme doesn't work if it's not the majority vote, which it will never be , it's not going to happen , it's just not in our core functionality...we think we're the smartest thing on the planet, and that we can bend/break every rule

what i'm saying is, the balance is long gone,our evolution has been to rapid, to "wild" let's face it , from a biological standpoint , we are mutants that outgrew their potential and raped the planet...

but i'm pretty sure that things are going to change drastically in the future, not sure how far away
but it's inevidable..that's the thing , our time on the planet is so short, and our thinking reflects that (nothing for me to worry about , it's not urgent , it'll be fine while i live ... )

they oil is going to run out, denying that , is like denying that one day everybody kicks the bucket

keep in mind that oil has been the most important product for 100 years,
it's also the thing we were very casual about , big waste , we use it for everything
transport, leisure, plastics, medicine, almost everything we own, everything we use, at one point or another was touched by oil...

you think alternative energy sources will replace oil with something just as effective , versatile and cheap? i think not

life will no doubt be a hellofalot harder than anything we've seen in the last 100 years

at best life will only change little, less free time, less goods,less gadgets , less fun, more work , more effort to survive let alone be confortable

worst case
we will not be prepared to deal with the consequences, the end result will be a global economical break down, poverty
probably widespread social decay as "our way of life" burns up with the last bits of oil


mankind , to me is nothing special , sure we're smart, but i'm not at all convinced that we're smart enough to see beyond the horizon , and think ahead as a global society, we've never managed that, at best we've been able to cover our own ass and secure our own resources... for me , for my family , for things that matter to me
always selfish in one way or another

and that means we can't outsmart nature, she's been around longer than we have, and has proven on many occasions that she can survive things that we cannot ( meteor/astroids , climate changes, earthquakes,tsunami's, etc etc )

i realize i'm part of the problem, in a microscopic way, i just hope things last a bit longer so the stink does not happen within my lifetime
or that i can at least carry on a little longer doing my thing(yes i am selfish in that way )

the only thing i'm doing , is not having any kids , i may be single now , but even if i would end up hitched
no way in hell am i making baby's
i don't think it's fair to help building the future generations so they can suffer the crap caused by my generation and those before it...

call me a pessimist, but i think it's more realistic than all the problem denial i hear on forums and what not...

i guess time will tell... with or within my lifetime...

[gaijindabe]

Originally posted by svandamme


rather than worry about the big global issues (over population , 3rd world nations, sustainable energy, sustainable agriculture etc etc. )



the only thing i'm doing , is not having any kids , i may be single now , but even if i would end up hitched
no way in hell am i making baby's
i don't think it's fair to help building the future generations so they can suffer the crap caused by my generation and those before it...

Svan-Man: Maybe there is no hope. If people from one of the few places that work (a tolerant and peaceful nation like Holland) in this world don't want to have kids and perpetuate their society and culture - maybe there is no hope for the rest above - the 3rd world nations who really are facing issues of population, energy, sustainable agriculture etc, etc. I don't think they are going to work these problems out without your help, your kids help and your grandkids help... Look at it that way.

[svandamme]

that Dutch tolerance is eating up Holland from the inside... i'm not dutch myself , but i'm sure many of the dutch will argue just that...but let's not get into that little discussion

[BlueSkyJaunte]

1) Glassify the MidEast
2) Take over Venezuela (Hugo's wet dream)
3) Kill the caribou in ANWR, sell the meat to Micky D's, and drill for oil
4) Nuke the Kremlin and take over Russia
5) Once all the oil is in our hands--CUT OFF CHINA

That should clean things up!