There always have been crooked politicians...just take a look at the Grant Administration.

No system is without flaws.

I think the problem is wealth and power, and everybody wanting a piece of the pie. And when belts should be tightened due to a downturn in the economy, nobody is willing to back their snounts outa the trough, and everyone is saying it's the other guy that should be the one getting cut and not them..Thus it is business as usual for better or worse.

Hell has frozen over. I agree with Tabs. I feel the same way.

Well, seeing as we're all playing "True Confessions", I'll admit that both sides are full of it. However, if we're going to spend a bunch of money, I'd rather see it spent on our citizens at home than given to big business as corporate welfare or spent on a BS war. So, until there is a viable alternative, I have to stick with the Democrats.

Dan

Last I checked there weren't any roadside bombs, suicide bombers, or mosques targeted in the Boston Tea Party. You aren't seriously equating Islamic extremists with the Founding Fathers are you?

Not sure what the history books are (or are not) teaching today, but there was a little more to our revolutionary war than throwing tea in the bay. And yes, the revolutionary fighters killed lots of people and were considered savages by the British.

Nothing like a little moral relativism to start the day . . .

Man Tech, I knew you were left but good Lord. Here we have daily bombings of churches and schools, bombs set off in the middle of people trying to sign up for a job, women strapping bombs to themselves so they look pregnant and then fake going into labor outside of a military checkpoint to pull troops closer before detonating, beheadings of innocent civilians, the list goes on and on.

And through all this you equate it to our Founding Fathers and the Revolutionary War.

I'm not sure what Sup is trying to do here, but this is the Wikipedia take on the topic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Terrorist_incidents

I would not raise an eyebrow if the terrorists were attacking our bases or our troops. If they want to use roadside bombs then fine, that's more like guerilla warfare. If Tech wants to equate their attacks on our convoys, bases or patrols to actions in our revolutionary war then fine. I cannot, however, sit by while he equates the founding of our country to the killing of innocent civilians, many of whom were simply looking for work to put food on their table, trying to go to church to worship their God, or schoolchildren.

The only comparison I can see is in the defense of the "Green Zones"...........................and that's stretching it.

Did you see what Wikipedia had to say about the attack on the USS Cole?

Interesting perspective and argument examined.

You can't 'sit by'? Does that mean you'll put another sticker on your car?

There were tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens just trying to put food on their table, etc., etc. who are dead now as 'collateral' casualties of our invasion of Iraq. As a proportion of the population, that would be like 250K+ Americans being killed by a foreign army. I have a feeling that if that happened there would be more than a few 'insurgents' and roadside bombs...

But I guess for some, Iraqis arent' really full-fledged humans... maybe 3/5ths?

T - do you have any links on this?:confused:

Here is an always credible socialist link... http://www.nsm88.com/articles/cost%20of%20the%20war.html

Speech freedom is never the problem. It's freedom of commerce that's the problem.;) SmileWavy

No Tech, I won't put another sticker on my car, in fact the only sticker on my car is the US Air Force one that allows me to get on base every day to do my job. I'll remember you next time I am sent over to the middle east to defend your right to sit in your cozy home and talk about how worthless our country is on this BBS.

Ed is somewhat brilliant, with many notions that are spot-on. In my humble view he's also got some ideas I still consider wacky, but for the most part Ed is lucid as he!!. What I'd like to point out here is that his accurate idea of what a "liberal" really is, is both ACCURATE and the OPPOSITE of what most of you think. Contrary to what you guys are brainwashed into thinking, liberals are all about liberty. Yep. In spite of what Rush tells you each morning, and what O'Reilly tells you each evening.

Never let the truth get in the way of a hard-fought narrow-minded opinion (paraphrasing).

A short reminder:

Article [I.]
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

What a freakin' crybaby.