Why do liberals seek to limit free speech?

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by rcecale
Oh, SHADDAP!!!!!!!

Note: I'm not stifling your freedom of speech, I'm just exercising my own! :P

Randy

LOL

You know it.



Sidenote: I find the title to this thread hilarious...this is free speech in action!

[competentone]

Originally posted by cool_chick
Man, you guys sure hate dealing with the consequences for one's actions, don't you?

Ok, so you want people to have to deal with the consequences for their own actions?

So if a person squanders away their time; doesn't accept the free educational opportunities offered to all in this country, doesn't work hard and doesn't save money -- and subsequently ends up poor -- I guess you will agree with me when I say to such people: "Tough, your condition of poverty is a consequence of your own actions. You deal with it; I'm not going to give you a hand-out."

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by cool_chick
Coulter was not prevented from doing anything. Free speech was in fact alive and well.

She wants to speak in an inflammatory way, she will pay the consequences for her actions.

Free speech is a beautiful thing......

Like it or not, Joe, the hecklers are ALSO demonstrating free speech.

That's the bummer of free speech to some people...they want people like Coulter, the KKK, etc., to be able to speak freely, but they don't want to deal with the consequences of those actions...

Negativity breeds same. Too bad, so sad, but this is not "silencing" nor "stifling"....what you're seeing here is a consequence of one's actions.....

I know, I know, you don't want some people to have "consequences" for their actions, in this situation, consequences for Coulter's hate-speak...but sorry, that's just how life is.

Well put CC. Conservatives have always stood for personal responsibility, the number one reason I respect true Conservatives and am one in many ways. I guess that part of the charter got left in a desk drawer when the neocons split off. The Iraq War is another example as the largest, most expensive, least ROI government entitlement program ever created.

This episode boils down to: Rich girl Coulter couldn't stand the heat after making inflammatory remarks. Funny, she thinks women should stay in the kitchen, yet she runs from it every time someone stands up to her book sales marketing plan, umm, I mean heated rhetoric.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by competentone
Ok, so you want people to have to deal with the consequences for their own actions?

So if a person squanders away their time; doesn't accept the free educational opportunities offered to all in this country, doesn't work hard and doesn't save money -- and subsequently ends up poor -- I guess you will agree with me when I say to such people: "Tough, your condition of poverty is a consequence of your own actions. You deal with it; I'm not going to give you a hand-out."

Absolutely!

And don't forget corporate bailout...you mess up..the government shouldn't be bailing you out.

And this "energy bill"....more welfare.


Too bad, so sad. Deal with the consequences of your actions. I have to. I am held accountable, why shouldn't corporations, individuals, and Coulter?

[RoninLB]

speech without responsibility.. huh !

but then again the truth makes some people constipated.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
Well put CC. Conservatives have always stood for personal responsibility, the number one reason I respect true Conservatives and am one in many ways. I guess that part of the charter got left in a desk drawer when the neocons split off. The Iraq War is another example as the largest, most expensive, least ROI government entitlement program ever created.

This episode boils down to: Rich girl Coulter couldn't stand the heat after making inflammatory remarks. Funny, she thinks women should stay in the kitchen, yet she runs from it every time someone stands up to her book sales marketing plan, umm, I mean heated rhetoric.

Yep

Suggestion, go libertarian...they're the only conservatives in this country.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by RoninLB
speech without responsibility.. huh !

but then again the truth makes some people constipated.

Yep.

I'm certain Coulter was constipated that night....

[island_dude]

I despise Coulter. It seems the only thing she is capable is an attack against people who do not hold her views. She wraps this hate speech in flower language and extra long words. I suspect that most of what she says is purely to sell her books. Still she emitimizes the lack tolerence for other opinions.

Having said that. Nobody should be shouted down or have pies thrown at them. The people who do these things only make themselves look like idiots. There are plenty of places and forums to disagree with Coulter and her ilk without resorting to desperate tactics.

We better frame this one: I agree with Fint. This sort of action reflects very badly on Liberals in general.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by island_dude
We better frame this one: I agree with Fint. This sort of action reflects very badly on Liberals in general.

Question: how do you know these hecklers were "liberal?" Or is this another one of those ASSumptions?

[slakjaw]

Yo, Flint...

Why will I end up haveing to fight and kill Neo Cons in order to preserve the freedoms that I enjoy today?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by cool_chick
Question: how do you know these hecklers were "liberal?" Or is this another one of those ASSumptions?

They were more likely conservatives who are tired of Coulter dragging their party through the mud.

[competentone]

Originally posted by cool_chick
Absolutely!

And don't forget corporate bailout...you mess up..the government shouldn't be bailing you out.

And this "energy bill"....more welfare.


Too bad, so sad. Deal with the consequences of your actions. I have to. I am held accountable, why shouldn't corporations, individuals, and Coulter?

I agree with that.

But getting back to the Coulter issue, "free speech" and heckling: Violations of "free speech" refers to the government restricting the free exchange of ideas.

To the extent that a university is (usually) receiving public funds, it does not have the right to limit the speech of someone because it doesn't like the message of the speaker (disregarding "obscenity" issues which has been pretty well covered by the courts).

Hecklers disrupting speech in a public-funded university forum, while their actions may not be official policy of the university, are demonstrating a disrespect toward the idea of free speech....and are demonstrating an immature intolerance of people who have a different opinion than theirs.

They may be saying that they are against what they call "hate speech," but normally are just using that term in an attempt to vilify people and ideas they don't agree with.

[creaturecat]

[island_dude]

CC,
You are right,I did make an assumptuion. I assumed that the Conservative kids were too busy hanging on her every word (seeking dates, and waiting until after the talk to lynch a token liberal) to disrupt the proceedings.

[Jeff Higgins]

Wow. Most noticable in the liberal response to this is their utter lack of respect, civility, and manners. Or expectations of such from others, more accurately. This was simply very rude behavior on the students's part. Not a single liberal here even picked up on that; that is extremely telling in and of itself.

Whatever happened to letting her say her piece, and waiting to calmly address your differences with her in the Q&A session at the end? What is so damn hard about that? Why is it liberals see absolutely nothing wrong with shouting some one down and driving them off, rather than engaging in reasoned exchange with them?

I find it incredible that anyone can twist this around into some kind of reasonable, expected consequences of her actions. Consequences that she should expect, and accept as her fault. (Insert whining, foot stomping, arm flailing here) "I don't WANT to listen to you; you can't make me; waaaahhhh; make her go away; mommmiiiieee!!!"

The fact that this behavior is acceptable to so many of you simply points to yet another realm where modern liberalism has lost it. The fact that liberalism is populated with spoiled brats that see this as a reasonable way to deal with those you dissagree with, and then blame your actions on them, speaks volumes about the decay of said liberalism. They are clearly in need of some adult supervision; I guess us conservative will just have to continue to fill that role.

[legion]

Wow, CC and Shaun are having a little hippie love-fest here.

The next time Jessie Jackson opens his mouth, I'll make sure to be there to shout him down and throw pies at him. Let's see if the headlines say I was "exercising my right to free speech".

You two cannot see this for what this is, and it further just validates that you are so wrapped up in how right your own opinions are you cannot even contemplate how anything else should even be listened to, let alone be valid. You are no different than children with their fingers in their ears, humming to themselves.

[nostatic]

reap what you sow.

Coulter has a bully pulpit. She uses it to its inflammatory best. The response is "typical" and *exactly* what she wants. She doesn't want to exercise her "free speech"...she has already done that in her written pieces. She wants a media event. And she gets them. The "rude" liberals are merely too stupid to realize that they are her pawns.

But don't get on your high horse about this. Don't cry for Coulter. She knows exactly what she is doing...

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by nostatic


But don't get on your high horse about this. Don't cry for Coulter. She knows exactly what she is doing...

Well put.

Legion. She sells books. That's her job. This one event will sell more books to "I told you so" neocons than anything else. It's a piece of her marketing campaign. She used inflammatory language to get a rise out of the audience. It got press. She'll go on H&C and talk about it.

then her production manager will call the publisher and order another 10,000 books.

Wake up neocons. Your heroes are product whores. Got to go now, I need to look for a new business suit, and Bill O'Reilly is giving me 10% off any one suit in his line if I join The Factor.

[nostatic]

What the left needs to do is get somebody smart to write a compelling book. Not chest-puffing crap like Coulter's. Although nobody would read it, because it seems all the masses can comsume is chest-puffing crap and hyperbole...

But I still believe what the left needs to do is offer an alternative, not protest the cartoons like Coulter.

[Jeff Higgins]

So liberal college students are that easily manipulated? And their college did not provide the necessary adult supervision? So in other words, a bright, articulate conservative woman just played them like a fiddle and they were too stupid to see it? The future of liberalism is in deeper trouble than I thought.