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Moses 12-10-2005 12:14 PM

I hesitate to introduce reason to such a passionate tilt, but here goes;

Our constitution does not allow government to suppress political free speech, but private citizens may heckle and argue at their pleasure. The problem is that a university, if it receives any federal funds, is an agent of government and must not encourage or allow suppression of free speech. The university has a constitutional burden to treat all invited speakers in the same way. In other words, if the university allows hecklers to disrupt a presentation by Anne Coulter, they would not be allowed to remove hecklers from a similar speech by Michael Moore.

The sad thing is that a university is supposed to be a bastion for the open exchange of ideas. The left claims they are attempting to silence "hate speech", but they remained silent when Malcolm X openly called for racially directed violence. I have no problem with Malcolm X types speaking at universities, but surely our republic can withstand the divisive forces of Anne Coulter. Are the students really that afraid of ideas?

Again, I do not believe that any rational persons definition of free speech includes the suppression of anothers free speech.

tabs 12-10-2005 12:18 PM

Ahhh U finaly made a good point...one that I frequently use...looking back in history.

I however will say that we are at one of those times when Political and Social differences are paticularily divisive. The direction that the nation will choose is up in the air...50% to 50%..the last time this happened with such venom was the CW.

tabs 12-10-2005 12:24 PM

And to silence this "Hate Speech" I will shout you down, I will stomp on you.......all goon squad tactics ......that Hitler used in the 1930s.

cool_chick 12-10-2005 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by Moses
I hesitate to introduce reason to such a passionate tilt, but here goes;

Our constitution does not allow government to suppress political free speech, but private citizens may heckle and argue at their pleasure. The problem is that a university, if it receives any federal funds, is an agent of government and must not encourage or allow suppression of free speech. The university has a constitutional burden to treat all invited speakers in the same way. In other words, if the university allows hecklers to disrupt a presentation by Anne Coulter, they would not be allowed to remove hecklers from a similar speech by Michael Moore.

The sad thing is that a university is supposed to be a bastion for the open exchange of ideas. The left claims they are attempting to silence "hate speech", but they remained silent when Malcolm X openly called for racially directed violence. I have no problem with Malcolm X types speaking at universities, but surely our republic can withstand the divisive forces of Anne Coulter. Are the students really that afraid of ideas?

Again, I do not believe that any rational persons definition of free speech includes the suppression of anothers free speech.


Look moses

when people say such stuff like this:


"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"---Ann Coulter on Hannity & Colmes, 6/20/01

She was fired for making this comment:

To a disabled Vietnam vet: "People like you caused us to lose that war."--- Ann Coulter (MSNBC)

Liberal soccer moms are precisely as likely to receive anthrax in the mail as to develop a capacity for linear thinking.

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.

Whenever a liberal begins a statement with 'I don't know which is more frightening,' you know the answer is going to be pretty clear.



don't be shocked when people react!



And what is this "left claiming to prevent hate speech" comment coming from with regard to this topic? Proof and links that this is what's happening here with Coulter?

And Malcolm was what, 40 years ago now.......what the HELL does this have to do with Coulter and Moore being heckled?

cool_chick 12-10-2005 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by tabs
And to silence this "Hate Speech" I will shout you down, I will stomp on you.......all goon squad tactics ......that Hitler used in the 1930s.

Absolutely, was used to stomp down those who dissented (heckled). Good point!

tabs 12-10-2005 12:30 PM

Liebschen you turn it 180*....it is the hecklers who are using Goon Squad Tactics by shouting down the speaker. What about Civility..why heckle and shout down let Anne prove herself to be a fool if that is what she is?

cool_chick 12-10-2005 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by tabs
Liebschen you turn it 180*....it is the hecklers who are using Goon Squad Tactics by shouting down the speaker. What about Civility..why heckle and shout down let Anne prove herself to be a fool if that is what she is?
Do you have a link that Hitler planted people who did that to speakers? Please provide...... thank you.

Because from what I've read, Hitler wouldn't allow dissent...it would be the hecklers who were destroyed if it was a speaker who promoted his goal, and dissenting speakers weren't even allowed to speak.

And I think this is a reaction to an action...just like Moore. I'm assuming you feel the same way about Moore's heckling experience....please state clearly.

Appears some people don't like the reactions actions bring on....

Whining about it isn't going to change it.....negativity begats negativity...that's just how it is.

tabs 12-10-2005 12:36 PM

Ihave several books for U to read Liebschen....."The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shier and "Adolf Hitler" by John Toland.....They did far worse than shout down....they went in and Stomped..LOL

cool_chick 12-10-2005 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by tabs
Ihave several books for U to read Liebschen....."The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shier and "Adolf Hitler" by John Toland.....They did far worse than shout down....they went in and Stomped..LOL
Exactly. This is not even remotely comparable to Hitler. It's OPPOSITE of Hitler...it's freedom in action. You do that all the time........it's rather comical actually.

tabs 12-10-2005 12:40 PM

No it's the same mind set...The self justification of WHY you are doing it....Ohh the jews brought it on themselves.....Ann brought it on herself....to quote youu Liebschen...

tabs 12-10-2005 12:45 PM

It's also the same lack of respect for Civil Rights....I not going to let you speak, because it is "Hate Speech" So I am going to Shout you down...and that tactic is a Goon squad tactic.

Or I could say ....I'm not going to let you speak because you are a jew so I am going to shout you down...

cool_chick 12-10-2005 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by tabs
No it's the same mind set...The self justification of WHY you are doing it....Ohh the jews brought it on themselves.....Ann brought it on herself....to quote youu Liebschen...

You honestly compare someone getting booed to the Jews in Hitler's time?

You're a sick man.

cool_chick 12-10-2005 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by tabs
It's also the same lack of respect for Civil Rights....I not going to let you speak, because it is "Hate Speech" So I am going to Shout you down...and that tactic is a Goon squad tactic.

Or I could say ....I'm not going to let you speak because you are a jew so I am going to shout you down...



They shouldn't have heckled Moore like that......c'mon...say it Tabbie....SAY IT.....

They should not heckle Moore because:

It's also the same lack of respect for Civil Rights....I not going to let you speak, because it is "Hate Speech" So I am going to Shout you down...and that tactic is a Goon squad tactic.

Or I could say ....I'm not going to let you speak because you are a jew so I am going to shout you down...

tabs 12-10-2005 12:51 PM

I am merely drawing a parallel from history... because it reminds me of that history...and don't you know I am a one sick indivdual who desperately needs lots of help...just ask PWD72S.

cool_chick 12-10-2005 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by tabs
I am merely drawing a parallel from history... because it reminds me of that history...and don't you know I am a one sick indivdual who desperately needs lots of help...just ask PWD72S.
I'm sorry, but it sickens me that you equate the booing of a speaker (free speech, the freedom to do so is so freaking awesome) to what happened to those Jews.

It's sickening you trivialize what happened to the Jews like that.

tabs 12-10-2005 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by tabs
.America is degenerating into 2 ideological camps and neither one is listening to the other anymore.
Hmmmm.....maybe you will hear me this time...

tabs 12-10-2005 01:02 PM

No Liebschen I'm not trivializing anything....I'm afraid that its going to start happening here....and goon squad tactics of shouting down a speaker as a response to a different point of view is only the begining of that slippery slope.

tabs 12-10-2005 01:04 PM

Now as to the RIGHT to disagree with a speaker...yes you have the right to BOO....you also have the right to get up and walk out or not attend.

tabs 12-10-2005 01:07 PM

U also have the right to have all your buds attend and shout down a speaker...but that is what Hitler did...purposfully interject his goons so that a speaker could not speak could not exercise their Civil Rights...and this is the paralell I am drawing....and has nothing to do with trivializing the Holocost...

tabs 12-10-2005 01:15 PM

and Liebschen U tell me you don't know how to use a few words here and there to emotionalize a subject... "sickens me" "Trivializing"... "sick man" ......tsk tsk tsk.....


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