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dhoward 12-30-2005 07:09 AM

That's right.
As a precaution there is a restriction on the inclusion of mammilian protein in cattle feed.

Tobra 12-30-2005 07:17 AM

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Originally posted by nostatic
the bummer here is that people are in no small part a product of their environment. While mom has to take responsibility for her own spot in life (now dead), her parents gave her (or didn't give her) the tools to deal with life. And now they have the grandson. Maybe they'll have a better outcome the second time around...
While I agree that people are to a large degree, products of their environment, I would strongly disagree that the parents are wholly at fault for the actions of their children. It is possible, even likely, that the grandparents provided a loving supportive home for their daughter, who never the less descended into drug addiction.

I seriously doubt that the boy intended to kill her, he probably intended only to stop her from hurting his grandfather. Yeah, the kid is going to have baggage, hopefully he does not turn into a Ted Bundy.

I seem to remember a journal article, perhaps JAMA, that stated the felt prions in the central nervous system tissue are the vector for CJD.
BITE ME

it is better in color, I thought this was the sarcasm icon:rolleyes:

Drago 12-30-2005 07:32 AM

You know what we should ban?

Yo-Yo's.

We should ban all Yo-Yo's.

They can be thrown you know. :rolleyes:

Drago 12-30-2005 07:33 AM

and scissors...that would have solved this confrontation immediately.:rolleyes:

M.D. Holloway 12-30-2005 07:33 AM

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Originally posted by red-beard
Hmmm. You may be right. They may use brains and spines in hotdogs, now. They used to only use lips, snouts and a-holes.
nope - not any more, least not at the hot dog plants I've done work in (Smithfield, Lykes, Gwaltney, ConAgra, ect...). They do use trim meat but the brain is saved for the asian market where it fetches a grand price, the spinal cord would be a bit hard to remove quickly and it is trashed/rendered, the lips and snouts are used in some sausage products like pickeld sausage and slim jims but not brand hot dogs - off brand more likely. The a-hole is not used for human consumption but is used (as well as other stuff) in protein rendering, protein conversion, and making pet food.

All in all, it really isn't that bad compared to a day in a rendering plant or a sewage facility.

Hay Cool, you don't want to know what is used to manufacture make-up or how it is tested do you? 70% is from crude oil, 30% from recycled grease fat and offal (thats the stuff that the Chinese won't even eat!), then they take the product and torture lil bunnies with it.

All to make you a hotty.

Rodeo 12-30-2005 07:44 AM

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Originally posted by Drago
and scissors...that would have solved this confrontation immediately.:rolleyes:
Just don't run with the scissors, OK?

red-beard 12-30-2005 07:56 AM

Rendering plants...uggghh....I did the startup for a Cogen Plant feeding steam to the Colfax Refinery (rendering plant) in Rhode Island. I could never get my car windshields free from grease while working there. And mysteriously, no one ever had a rusted car...

I still wonder what our lungs looked like...

M.D. Holloway 12-30-2005 08:36 AM

they wont have any rust in them!

Worst is the seafood rendering plants - nothing like frmenting catfish and haddock to open up your appriciation for Fabreeze. Grease fat rendering is always special but my fav is poultry rendering. Thats a memory you will be hard pressed to shake. Imagine the worlds largest poultry renderer on a 100F day in humid Georga. Training some good ol boyz on reliability right at the equipment for 8 hours a day for 3 days. I didn't even bother to keep my clothes or shoes. The stink was coming out of my pores a week later.

Nothing like blow'n poultry protein dust out of your snot locker for a week either! I need to get into the university thing fulltime...

nostatic 12-30-2005 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by Tobra
While I agree that people are to a large degree, products of their environment, I would strongly disagree that the parents are wholly at fault for the actions of their children. It is possible, even likely, that the grandparents provided a loving supportive home for their daughter, who never the less descended into drug addiction.
I did not say that parents are wholly at fault for the actions of their children. I did say that they have a responsibility to give their kids the tools to deal with the world. There is a difference. And a lot of parents fail on that point. It is a vicious cycle...

red-beard 12-30-2005 09:25 AM

My best friend had the worst parent possible. His father was given custody, and then the mother basically kidnapped him and drove cross country, where they moved around a lot. Sex drugs and alcohol were never far away.

He didn't fall too far from the tree. I think at some point, he decided he didn't want to continue on the path he was on, and made some serious changes, including geographic. He's post grad now and on his way to polishing himself into a great guy.

I don't think great parenting guarantees success anymore than horrible parenting guarantees failure, but I'd bet the line with money!

cool_chick 12-30-2005 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by red-beard
No. They are herbivores.
Yes, they are herbivores, as I said. I'm not wrong, just mispelled the word.

:rolleyes:

Why in the hell would you give a cow a hot dog anyway?

And just curious, if a cow can only get infected by eating the brain, etc., of a cow who is infected, how did the first cow get it?

Um, maybe there's more to it than just the product being consumed is contaminated?

red-beard 12-30-2005 03:41 PM

The first cow probably got it from eating the brain of a different infected animal. I think can call these "Zombie" cows. They were made famous in that science fiction thriller "Night of the Living Cows".

nostatic 12-30-2005 04:50 PM

BRAIN!

M.D. Holloway 12-30-2005 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by cool_chick
...if a cow can only get infected by eating the brain, etc., of a cow who is infected, how did the first cow get it?

Um, maybe there's more to it than just the product being consumed is contaminated?

I know where you are going with this and your thought path is straight but misguided. Let me help.

The virus is transmitted many ways, like any virus. It is targeted at bovine in general but much work is underway to understand if a variant has "lept" the genetic inclusion. (Sound 'Bird Flu' familiar?) Virus' want to get to a host anyway possable. One way is through injestion. Animal feed is composed of grains, vitimins, minerals and protein. They use protein from animal sources to a fast weight gain. Remember, if you want to build muscle, eat meat? If you want to get fat, eat carbs. The grain is a source of protein (corn or soybeans) but animal protein is a great source of pure protein and is in many cases cheaper when cost benefit analysis is done. Probem is, the rendering process mixes hides, bones, offal (entrails and what not), spinal columns, and pretty much all the stuff that people don't eat. The blood is centerfuged and dried and later added to the cooked "meat" as they call it but only after much of the fat is separated. They take that "meat" and pound the heck out of it in hammer mills till it a paste. (I actually got sprayed with some once! I'll save that story for another time). Then it is dried and pounded again into pellets using a pellet mill and is added to feed by up to 30%. Thats why feed mills smell terrible. If it wasjust grain, they would smell like a bowl of Cheerios.

Unfortunitly, the cooking and milling process, although it gets to 350+F isn't high enough to snap the virus and can be rweadily transmitted through injestion.

New regulations have pretty much eliminated the use of bovine protein to be used in bovine feed. The new regulations ban the use of same class - you have to go down one class. I think thy are starting to do the same with porcine (pork) as well. Poultry are still nasty cannibals.


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