![]() |
|
|
|
Registered
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Rogue Valley, Oregon
Posts: 1,736
|
Question about performance bonus
Hi Everyone,
I need to know what is considered convention for awarding performance bonuses to employees that make a significant contribution to a business. For example, if a unique idea allows a company to avoid spending $4 million on some equipment, how should the person be compensated for the idea and developement work? Thanks for your thoughts, Troy
__________________
Troy Past: 1975 911S Silver Anniversary-rebuilt and sublime. Past: 1988 Carrera-backdated with a 3.6 and all the goodies. Present: 2011 GMC 2500HD with the 6.0 & 4x4!, 2004 Toyota Sequoia (wife's) |
||
![]() |
|
B58/732
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Hot as Hell, AZ
Posts: 12,313
|
Two years ago my performance review credited me with having a direct hand in saving the corporation over $380 million in capital expenditures.
I got a 4% raise. That's how big corps work.
__________________
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ I don't always talk to vegetarians--but when I do, it's with a mouthful of bacon. |
||
![]() |
|
Registered
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Rogue Valley, Oregon
Posts: 1,736
|
BSK,
I know in some industries like those where R&D and innovation are key, bonuses can be tied to a percentage of the avoided costs or whatever. Ever hear of this? Thanks, Troy
__________________
Troy Past: 1975 911S Silver Anniversary-rebuilt and sublime. Past: 1988 Carrera-backdated with a 3.6 and all the goodies. Present: 2011 GMC 2500HD with the 6.0 & 4x4!, 2004 Toyota Sequoia (wife's) |
||
![]() |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Lacey, WA. USA
Posts: 25,310
|
Different things motivate different people. Some folks just want the money. And money does make recognition seem more sincere. But the recognition is the biggest part.
Ever hear of the Golden Banana award? According to rumor, an HP manager scrambled to come up with a spur-of-the-moment recognition for a worker whose extra effort achieved an important breakthrough. All he had was a banana left over from his lunch. It became the coveted award at HP. Be very clear and public about the recognition. Tell everyone the story, and why it is a story worthy of recognition. And again, money adds sincerity. I don't expect management to hand over profits, or even percents of profits, to workers. Give the worker an awesome parking space. Take the worker and spouse out to a real nice dinner. Recognize him or her in front of others. Include that person in more significant strategic discussions. These would thrill me more. But some folks are not motivated by that. Managers should know what individual workers prize, and play to those needs. Sincerely.
__________________
Man of Carbon Fiber (stronger than steel) Mocha 1978 911SC. "Coco" |
||
![]() |
|
Registered
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 4,612
|
Quote:
__________________
Neil '73 911S targa |
||
![]() |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Lacey, WA. USA
Posts: 25,310
|
No, it's not the only recognition that HP has given, but it is a noteworthy award in terms of motivation analysis. While some workers are only interested in money, that is not the norm. In fact, money ranks poorly in the greater scheme of workplace motivators.
If I were the recipient, I would be more excited by an invitation to participate in loftier decision-making. I'd rather have a promotion, or at least feel like I'm under consideration for a promotion, than a fistful of cash. (of course, a couple hundred thousand dollars would be a nice gesture)
__________________
Man of Carbon Fiber (stronger than steel) Mocha 1978 911SC. "Coco" |
||
![]() |
|
![]() |
19 years and 17k posts...
|
A few years ago, the company I worked for took my wife and I to a "fancy" dinner and insisted on champagne, lobster, caviar, etc... all the while telling my wife what a great guy I was and how much I did for the company. My wife was impressed and still mentions this event to me on occasion. It was a memorable event and I really appreciated their effort.
__________________
Art Zasadny 1974 Porsche 911 Targa "Helga" (Sold, back home in Germany) Learning the bass guitar Driving Ford company cars now... www.ford.com |
||
![]() |
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 4,247
|
Troy,
Do you work for the company to get rich? News flash: if they made you rich, you wouldn't work there. they need your labor. when they pay you 50K a year, they make 500 Million a year. that's how it works, to put it simply. |
||
![]() |
|
I'm off the hook.....
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: 22 miles south, then 11 miles west of LAS
Posts: 2,895
|
I think Troy is the one that should have gotten the bonus, not the one that is trying to figure out what the bonus should be for some other employee......
__________________
No, I don't sing. Based there for too long. |
||
![]() |
|
Registered
|
My great grandfather invented the underwater telecommunication cable during his employment. Ma Bell made billions. My great grandfather never saw a dime.
__________________
.. |
||
![]() |
|
Back in the saddle again
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Central TX west of Houston
Posts: 56,102
|
I've heard of companies that offered large bonuses for large affects on bottom line, and I've heard of companies that had a fixed set of bonuses that stopped at some ridiculously low amount. Usually the reward seems inadequate, but it just depends upon the company.
__________________
Steve '08 Boxster RS60 Spyder #0099/1960 - never named a car before, but this is Charlotte. '88 targa ![]() |
||
![]() |
|
canna change law physics
|
You need to have a consistent policy. If you hand the guy $4 or whatever, you need to reward others consistently. You need to have consistent and rigorous criteria, so that it doesn't get abused.
At GE, just as I left, I had to come up with $1 Million in savings to justify a $1K award to one of our engineers. At Solar, we had a yearly bonus based on multiple factors and was payed out as a percentage of income. Everyone got the same bonus, by percent. In addition, we had a project bonus program with well defined structure. It had a sliding scale, with a Maximum of $100K (split between team members, project leader, project champion, etc) for a Project worth over $8M (true bottom line, after tax savings or revenue). Just understand one thing. Once you publish, people will 'game' the system. That is generally the doom of bonus programs. Make sure you drive the right behavior.
__________________
James The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the engineer adjusts the sails.- William Arthur Ward (1921-1994) Red-beard for President, 2020 |
||
![]() |
|
Targa, Panamera Turbo
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Houston TX
Posts: 22,366
|
its part of the job - a bonus is a gift, like a $5 bill from granny or $5000 from Dad - either way you have to relish the thought and get past the "they owe me".
__________________
Michael D. Holloway https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Holloway https://5thorderindustry.com/ https://www.amazon.com/s?k=michael+d+holloway&crid=3AWD8RUVY3E2F&sprefix= michael+d+holloway%2Caps%2C136&ref=nb_sb_noss_1 |
||
![]() |
|
Registered
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Summerville, SC
Posts: 2,057
|
Re: Question about performance bonus
Quote:
You say you're looking for what is considered "convention" in performance bonuses, but I don't think there really is a convention. Like LubeMaster comments, a bonus is a "gift," but I would add, that while "saving the company money" should be part of every employee's job, a company should want to reward extra-ordinary behavior if they want to keep good employees and encourage all employees to give their best. (A lot of companies don't have enlightened enough owners/managers to understand that idea.) If you're the employee and are not satisfied with a bonus received, I would suggest looking for another job where your skills and talents would be more appreciated. If you're the business owner looking to give out the bonus, I'd say give something generous, but not too extreme that it might create unreasonable expectations for other employees if they come up with a great idea. If it's a small business, consider what the employee might want and how important he/she is to the business; is this someone who would want to be a part owner in the business? Few things motivate people better than when they have an interest in the business they're working for, but there are some who just prefer the 9-5 routine, a paycheck and no headaches about the job when they leave each day. |
||
![]() |
|
Formerly bb80sc
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hollywood Beach, CA
Posts: 4,361
|
Quote:
![]() I agree about recognition part, and some sort of *spot* bonus would probably be in order as well. Send him and his family on a nice trip. The amount should be worth-while, otherwise, could be perceived as an insult.
__________________
Cheers -Brad 2015 Cayman GTS 2015 4Runner Limited |
||
![]() |
|
Stay away from my Member
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Agoura, CA
Posts: 5,773
|
I recall that in my dealings with HP in the late 90's, their 'convention' for profit-sharing was around 10% of annual salary.
Personally I think an extra paycheck/year for average or somewhat above-average performance is pretty darn nice! Anything more is gravy for a strong year; anything less means you probably won't be working there for long unless things change... These days I don't think there is a 'convention'. Maybe there really never was! There will always be the people who get 7 -digit 'bonuses'; those who get 6-digits, exotic cars, houses, etcs.; those who get a juicy (to you and me) 4-5 digits; and those who get a gift cert for a turkey or a fruit basket, and then those who get a pink-slip and an invitation to go on permanent unpaid vacation. It's the way our system and "American Dream" operates.
__________________
Chris C. 1973 914 "R" (914-6) | track toy 2009 911 Turbo 6-speed (997.1TT) | street weapon 2021 Tesla Model 3 Performance | daily driver 2001 F150 Supercrew 4x4 | hauler Last edited by campbellcj; 01-10-2006 at 10:39 PM.. |
||
![]() |
|
Registered
|
The closest to a convention is what is standard for your particular organization (or sometimes industry). If this isn't documented in your employment contract you rely on luck.
Here's a relatively common formula: Some orgs will bonus a percentage of an employees salary at the end of the year. The higher up the employee the higher the percentage. For instance, a VP may be eligible to receive 20% of his/her $200K salary if Corp X reaches it's goal of $100 million in revenue. So, if the corp reaches 100% of their projected revenue the employees are entitled to 100% of there bonus percentage. So, the VP above will receive a bonus of $40K. If Corp X doesn't attain it's goal the amount is reduced accordingly.
__________________
Warren & Ron, may you rest in Peace. |
||
![]() |
|
Registered
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Rogue Valley, Oregon
Posts: 1,736
|
Thanks everyone. I am looking to provide bonuses to extraordinary performers. Since there really is no convention out there, I will try to establish a rationale for awarding them and see if it sticks.
Thanks again, Troy
__________________
Troy Past: 1975 911S Silver Anniversary-rebuilt and sublime. Past: 1988 Carrera-backdated with a 3.6 and all the goodies. Present: 2011 GMC 2500HD with the 6.0 & 4x4!, 2004 Toyota Sequoia (wife's) |
||
![]() |
|
Registered
|
Well, my company had a great 2005 and exceeded its already ambitious revenue goals by a good 10%. I am the #1 or #2 producer here in any given month (commissioned sales), regularly double or triple my monthly revenue quotas and each December I get a $50 Amex gift check. That's it. Other than that, I have never worked anywhere that gave me a bonus check. My job has lots of perks and my boss and clients sing my praises, but that stuff don't pay da bills. I want money! I don't care about recognition at the annual sales conference. I don't care about a window office. I want what pays for guns, booze and Porsches.
__________________
2022 BMW 530i 2021 MB GLA250 2020 BMW R1250GS |
||
![]() |
|
Registered
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Rogue Valley, Oregon
Posts: 1,736
|
There ya go! I would say that speaks for the folks I work with too.
Troy
__________________
Troy Past: 1975 911S Silver Anniversary-rebuilt and sublime. Past: 1988 Carrera-backdated with a 3.6 and all the goodies. Present: 2011 GMC 2500HD with the 6.0 & 4x4!, 2004 Toyota Sequoia (wife's) |
||
![]() |
|