Your view on prostitution, please
 

Inspired by another thread on Muslim prostitution I thought I´d hear your view on the subject in a more general sense.

In Sweden all forms of P. is illegal. In for example Germany its a blooming, fully legal industry. Regarded, more or less, as any other employment. German Police are very critical to the Swedish system and here is why:

They argue, 1. Prostitution has been and will always be present. Men will be men and look for sex. There will be woman ready to perform for money. These are facts. 2. Legislation against P. will only draw the business into the dark corners, making it much more dangerous for the women. 3. Vice versa, legalizing P. draws it out in the open where the women can be offered a higher level of protection and even have a union taking care of salary interests and so forth.

Me, I tend to be pragmatic. If it were possible to prevent this extremely prevalent business, I would be all for it. I am however convinced its impossible not least for biological reasons (mens need for sex). Hence, perhaps better for the women going the German way.

What ya all think ?

Change "prostitution" to "drugs" and you have the exact same argument. Just because it is inevitable, doesn't mean that it is acceptable. You will find the majority of prostitutes are also drug addicts. Coincidence? I don't see too many women that have it together and shuck all their goals to sell themselves. Maybe in the movies. How many people know someone that was a former "prostitute" and now is a functioning part of society? Most are dead from drugs or have been killed. I think it is more of protecting the vunerable, then the consumers. But, hey, I'm an idealist.

It seems to be working in Las Vegas. But I don't know why a woman would choose prostitution except out of desperation. If it were a truly voluntary choice( not addicted, not starving) I'd be in favor of it, but if women are going into it out of desperation . . well then I could not take advantage of someone so vulnerable.

IMO, Cash is the main motivater, nobody wants to pay taxes if they don't have to, working on the street saves them 25% than working legally or regulated (at least where I live, not sure about Germany)
Additionally, they can work when they want, and take time off when they want, assuming they are not pimped, which is a different story that someone else will most likely chime in on.

Put it another way. Lets assume the following:

1. Prostitution will not vanish, no matter what legislation.
2. The women that willingly or by force engage in prostitution will fare better in a legal environment.

Question: Should state legislate against it on moral/ethical grounds ?

I think it's pretty much a victimless crime and it drives me nuts to see the "Cops"-like tv shows where the vice squads bait folks. When they get all the violent criminals off the street, maybe going after prostitution would be ok. But it should be lowest priority. And I don't think it's all like drug legalization. Prostitution does not make someone into an addict who gets violent and commits crimes to support their habit.

Re: Your view on prostitution, please
 

I think I agree with what you said. I worked as a bartender in Topless bars for almost 5 years. I'd love for there to be some way to eradicate that kind of business, but there's not.

legalize it and regulate it - require health tests on a bi weekly basis.

Think of that huge untapped tax base because it is illegal.

I find it stupid to flood the courts and use up so many tax dollars going after people that paid to dip their willy.

What he said.^

I think specific recreational drugs should be legalised as well. Put the same restrictions (ie can't do it in the workplace, can't drive under the influence, etc) and regulations as alcohol and tobacco, and bam!, not only have you created a source of tax revenue, but you've wiped out millions of dollars of useless police raids, incarceration, etc. For the record, I've never done any recreational drugs, and probably never will.

It is legal and regulated in Germany and Switzerland and seems to be moving back that way in Italy.
I would much rather my husband was unfaithful with a clean, paid professional in a meaningless physical act than had an affair with one of my friends. Perhaps I've lived too long in N. Italy but I'm very blasè about the matter as long as there are health checks and the people (male, female and those in between) are there by choice and subject to strict medical checks.
Prostitution is not going to go away because moralists legislate against it. I feel exactly the same way about abortion. I don't like it but the consequences of driving it underground are much worse.

Don't make it legal - if you did then the gov gets involved and big business gets involved and before you know it the quality of the product (we are not talking about the crack whores here - but rather the Vegas call girl type) loses her profit center and she leaves the business. This allows for the whore business to bring in the Asian or Mexican lower paid girl as a product to offer. Bad for the industry, bad for the john - less to choose from and our sweet American call girl now has to work at Walmart or worse yet, go to school and become an accountant or a school teacher! Oh the horror!

You do have a point, Mike..

We need to look at this from the customers point of view! :D

Somehow, advice on prostitution by someone with both 'lube' and 'master' in his handle seems to carry a lot of authority.

Pretty soon we'll have the whores unionized, like the NEA.

dude that's harsh!:D ;)

I think most of the law enforcement money spent is to steer the activity away from certain areas. No vice squads are going after the pretty girls working the high end hotels.

In NYC they are always busting up rings of illegals. You have got to think these young girls, who are not allowed to be here in the first place, are not in control of their own lives.

If you are an owner-operator, that is one thing. I bet most are not..:(

Legalize it.
Regulate it.
Party on...

Oh, I don't know. There will always be a market for the "Fast Food" love delicatessians. But don't think there won't be some nice "Tavern on the Green" places with reputations to uphold.

I can't believe I typed that with a straight face....

Brings a whole new meaning to "BJ's wholesale club"

Hmmmm

Mc Do-it's
(fur)Burger King
Wendys (As in Plural, not possesive)
TACO Belle

I can't do it - LOL!

for the gay/sailor crowd, there is always "Popeyes"

:eek:

What she and osidak before said!

Maybe prostitution is different than titty dancing, but I doubt it. It's probably as bad or worse. From the inside it's ugly.

and it can and does create addicts. They do something that makes them feel worse about themselves than they already feel. They hate what they do so they turn to alcohol, and then drugs and before you know it they are addicts. They start out hot, then they gain weight (all of that alcohol) then they loose weight (all of the coke).

They work and make money, when they leave work they feel bad about themselves so they go shopping to make themselves feel better, then they don't have any money so they have to go to work again, it's an ugly circle. I've seen girls crying.

Hmm, a hot 18 year old enjoys a sweaty fat 45-50 year old or a normal 30-35 year old pawing all over them, not really. Probably not any more than most of you would like to have to have sex with a fat, hairy, smelly old lady.

Nope, it's a **** thing. Maybe in a different culture where it's viewed differently it's a different thing, but not in the states.

Its also legal and regulated in the Netherlands. Amsterdam has a large Red Light district where the girls charge $50 for straight sex. The undergo weekly health checks aren't on drugs but most of the girls are frrom very poor countries (Vietnam, Romania...)and they do make decent money doing this. The clients are mostly the young English guys who come over to the pubs there to drink and get laid on the cheap weekend flight specials ($39).
Pot is also legal there and you can buy it in the Brown Cafes like beer. I did go in the Brown Cafes but only for the great food and beer. Good food seems to go with legal pot!

My view is that women should be able to have a legal place to preform sex for pay that is safe, clean and healthy.
Pot should be legal but regulated and taxed like beer. Heroin or Methodone should be free to addicts along with treatment.
Take the crime element out drugs and sex and all there is left is gambling.
What would the police have to do in all their spare time then?

Geoff

i have never been with a "hired gun", but i think if it should be legalized. if it were more socially accepted, maybe the girl (errr, and guys) wouldnt feel so schitty about it. it would certianly be safer for both the worker and workee.

i would like to see pot legalized first.

Right now, as we speak, there is a prostitute in my bed at home. She does this because she has to. Long story. She is careful about it. She is beautiful and fairly young (32).

She also happens to be one of the most interesting and kind (principled) persons I've met. It is amazing how intimate brutal honesty is. I have learned a great deal from this woman in the short time I have known her. The relationship has been powerful for me.

She is not a drug addict. Again, one more time, this woman would absolutely kick the asses of almost anybody who thinks they are honest and moral. So, those of you who enjoy passing judgement without having the slightest idea what you're talking about......still don't leave much of a positive impression on me. But then gubmint and drugs and prostitution are some of your favorite subjects since you think you are entitled to discuss them without any actual knowledge.

This woman will fly away to another city next week. I am going to miss her very much. She has taught me a great deal.

And BTW, she and I have not had any sexual contact, and probably never will. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

A prositute's moral character (or lack thereof) has absolutely nothing to do with why I think it should be the lowest priority for cops or even legalized. Banning it obviously hasn't put a dent in supply or demand. Legalizing it wouldn't either. But legalization would probably take some of the residual crimes out of the business.

"Mc Do-it's
(fur)Burger King
Wendys (As in Plural, not possesive)
TACO Belle

I can't do it - LOL!

for the gay/sailor crowd, there is always "Popeyes""

And let's not forget Star****s!

Leagalize it. The government will ruin it like every other business they use as a tax grab. :rolleyes:
Les

It brings a whole new meaning to "Happy Meal" !!!

Supe,

Sounds interesting. Care to share more? I have known several ladies like this and all are direct, to the point and more honest than 99% of the rest of the world.

Some are running from life, running from being molested as a kid, drugs, the harley payment or just like the money. None of them that I ran into (friend of mine was a owner of a tittie bar and many of the girls "worked on the side" while there ) did it because they liked it and all hoped to retire or move on to another career after saving up some money and buying a house.

This "profession" will never stop and its crazy that its criminal. I just love it when the cops sieze the cars of the "john's" to try to stop things like this.

Legalizing either prostitution or drugs, especially considering the potential tax/revenue windfalls is far too logical/sensible for the RR-backed politicians in charge now. Hence, we will have (at least for the foreseeable future) what we have now - illogical and even stupid legislation that really benefits nobody and serves no useful purpose than appealing/sucking up to the control-freak types that want to impose their will and pseudo-morality onto the rest of the world. Sorry, but that's where 99% of this stuff comes from - religious brainwashing and an inherent belief that "we know what's best for you".

It's a sad commentary on a society that's supposedly about "freedom" and "liberty" when the wishes and opinions of a few outweigh not only those of the majority, but common sense as well. A victimless crime is not a crime, at least in my definitions.

Personally, I think prostitution is wrong! But we are talking about supply and demand - and as long as the demand is there, there will always be someone willing to supply.

+10000000000

:D Hello Pot, I'm Kettle, Your Black!

We both enter a brothel, LubeMaster reduces the friction but Techweenie, well...hes the consultant that shows'm how to do the things you do! (then turns around and charges them a stout consultants fee!):D

rick, you know the saying?

you dont pay a prostitute to stay, you pay her to leave. (sumthin like dat)

Ha ha! Never heard that, but it's soooo true.

Didn't Charlie Sheenan say that when asked about Hiedi Fleece? (man did I butcher their names!)

BS!

The Dems controlled House, Senate and Whitehouse and they didn't do a thing.

No one does this because it's a third rail where they might appear to be soft on crime.

all other answers are BS.

AFAIK, prositution is not a fed. issue, so Congress has no role in legalizing it. It's a state and local thing.

so is anal sex in 18 states - Buggery, crime against nature.

Spot on. Honesty practiced in a way that makes other "honest" people seem very clearly as though they are playing only games.

I'll share more, because this association has been so amazing. This woman uses prostitution as a way of maintaining her real calling. She is a muse. She goes where she is needed. She is needed elsewhere now. She coaches. She irritates. She soothes. She reflects. She holds a mirror up, and points it at me when I move. She does not know what is next. Only that she is being called.

This woman is unimaginably talented. And she sacrifices. She offers up. Right now she is a bit like Spock after one of those draining mind melds. Or like the Star Trek guest character that was an empath. Drained. Empty. Preparing for what's next, not knowing. Somewhat like what we Catholics do to ourselves during Lent. She is emptying out. Preparing. She's very scared.

Hard to explain, so I'll stop here at least for now. But I'll say one thing again: Nobody can stand in this woman's light and claim "goodness" or "service" or "honesty" or "courage" and not get struck by a lightning bolt.

If all of you imagine a reason why she and I have not done the horizontal waltz, nearly all of you would be wrong.

Thanks, Joe.

Hmmmmm. This sounds right out of "Time Enough for Love". Is this Tamara?

You know Supe, there are medications for dealing with ED...