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Rodeo 04-03-2006 07:13 PM

DeLay out of the House - Next stop jail
 
The sleazy, unapologetic Tom Delay has dropped out of the race for his seat in the House of Representatives. He will be forever remembered for raising the corruption bar of a corrupt city to new and alarming levels.

The "hero of the right" that sold his soul, and his office, to the highest bidder. Good riddance. Next stop should be prison.

Rep. DeLay Won't Seek Reelection

By Jonathan Weisman and Chris Cillizza
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, April 3, 2006; 10:35 PM

Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Tex.), a primary architect of the House Republican majority who became one of the most powerful and feared leaders in Washington, told House allies Monday night he will step down from the House rather than face a reelection fight that appears increasingly unwinnable.

The decision came just three days after his former deputy chief of staff, Tony C. Rudy, pleaded guilty to conspiracy and corruption charges, telling federal prosecutors of a criminal enterprise being run out of DeLay's leadership offices. Rudy's plea agreement did not implicate DeLay in any illegal activities, but by placing the influence-buying efforts of disgraced Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff directly in DeLay's operation, the former aide may have made an already difficult reelection bid all but out of reach.

DeLay, who turns 60 this Saturday, did not say precisely when he would step down, but under Texas law, he must take himself out of reelection consideration by August if his name is to be removed from the November ballot.

© 2006 The Washington Post Company

Moneyguy1 04-03-2006 07:19 PM

makes one wonder if this was his decision or whether he was "urged" by a higher power....

Rodeo 04-04-2006 04:44 AM

Sure, the "higher power" of the voters in his district. That's the beautiful thing about democracy. There are plenty of hiccups, and I think history will judge the last 10 years as an aberration of extraordinarily brazen Washington greed and corruption, but eventually the ship of state settles itself.

DeLay out the door and hopefully into prison is part of the process of returning to normalcy and, one hopes, higher ethical standards.

fastpat 04-04-2006 05:10 AM

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Originally posted by Moneyguy1
makes one wonder if this was his decision or whether he was "urged" by a higher power....
So, you think God came to him with the message?

Here's Bill Maher's message to Bush (and no, I'm no Maher fan):

Quote:

Bill Maher's closing bit last Friday night:

Mr. President, this job can't be fun for you any more. There's no more money to spend--you used up all of that. You can't startanother war because you used up the army. And now, darn the luck,the rest of your term has become the Bush family nightmare: helping poor people.

Listen to your Mom. The cupboard's bare, the credit cards maxed out. No one's speaking to you. Mission accomplished. Now it's time to do what you've always done best: lose interest and walk away. Like you did with your military service and the oil company and the baseball team. It's time. Time to move on and try the next fantasy job. How about cowboy or space man?

Now I know what you're saying: there's so many other things that you as President could involve yourself in.

Please don't.

I know, I know. There's a lot left to do. There's a war with Venezuela. Eliminating the sales tax on yachts. Turning the space program over to the church. And Social Security to Fannie Mae. Giving embryos the vote.

But, Sir, none of that is going to happen now. Why? Because you govern like Billy Joel drives. You've performed so poorly I'm surprised that you haven't given yourself a medal. You're a catastrophe that walks like a man. Herbert Hoover was a ****ty president, but even he never conceded an entire city to rising water and snakes.

On your watch, we've lost almost all of our allies, the surplus, four airlines, two trade centers, a piece of the Pentagon and the City of New Orleans. Maybe you're just not lucky. I'm not saying you don't love this country. I'm just wondering how much worse it could be if you were on the other side.

So, yes, God does speak to you. What he is saying is: 'Take a hint.'


Jim Richards 04-04-2006 05:19 AM

ROFLMAO! Thanks Pat. :)

Rodeo 04-04-2006 05:21 AM

I saw him do that a while back ... laughed my a$$ off. I am a Maher fan, the guy is funny and smart.

lendaddy 04-04-2006 05:22 AM

I wonder who will replace him on the ticket? If the anti-Delay money all goes to watse down there and we keep the seat DeLay will have the last laugh.

In the end he did a lot for the party and gained us a bushel of seats, so kudos to him.

Jim Richards 04-04-2006 05:23 AM

He did a lot for the party, at the expense of the country. Priorities, man! :mad:

kach22i 04-04-2006 05:24 AM

Bill Maher rocks!:D

Rodeo 04-04-2006 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim Richards
He did a lot for the party, at the expense of the country. Priorities, man! :mad:
Bingo!

Just wrote that in another thread. Repubs care about Repubs. Americans care about America.

That's why Repubs are on the way out.

hunter914 04-04-2006 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lendaddy
I wonder who will replace him on the ticket? If the anti-Delay money all goes to watse down there and we keep the seat DeLay will have the last laugh.

In the end he did a lot for the party and gained us a bushel of seats, so kudos to him.

People who put party, and worse, individuals, above country are traitors. Please proceed to the nearest large oak tree to be hung. bring a friend if you like.

BTW, you are not "us". Us are DeLay's friends, lobbyists, etc. You poor schlub. You actually think that DeLay cares about you, don't you. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

lendaddy 04-04-2006 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hunter914
People who put party, and worse, individuals, above country are traitors. Please proceed to the nearest large oak tree to be hung. bring a friend if you like.

BTW, you are not "us". Us are DeLay's friends, lobbyists, etc. You poor schlub. You actually think that DeLay cares about you, don't you. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Aren't you cute:) The adults are talking honey, hush hush.

Rodeo 04-04-2006 05:33 AM

Don't let daddy get to you hunter, he's got no game. None.

lendaddy 04-04-2006 05:34 AM

And to the adults, I don't put DeLay or my Party above America. Such an extrpolation that "good for republicans" = "bad for America" is obviously one that I(as a Republican) am going to have to disagree with if you don't mind.:D

Rick Lee 04-04-2006 05:39 AM

Those who support DeLay do not at all necessarily put party and politics above the good of the country. Plenty of folks, even if they disagree with his positions, admire him because of his style and effectiveness. And some just happen to agree with the guy. I totally disagree with DeLay on some issues, though I agree with him on most. But I love his unapologetic style and ability to get things done. That he so drives Rodeo nuts is icing on the cake. For the record, I also admire Chuck Schumer in a similar way for his unapologetic style.

Rodeo 04-04-2006 05:41 AM

Please list the things deLay has been "effective" at.

1. Republican majority in the House

your turn ...

Jim Richards 04-04-2006 05:46 AM

RL, you admire a Dem from NY? From which direction did the sun rise today? I'm so confused. ;)

Rick Lee 04-04-2006 05:46 AM

Rodeo, just about every Republican bill that has passed in the House since 1995 has been the handywork of Tom DeLay. You probably know this, but I'll explain it for the others.

DeLay used to be the whip. That's that the guy who counts votes before a bill comes to the floor. The majority leader (Dick Armey was it before DeLay) is the guy who schedules the floor votes when the whip says they have enough to pass. Can you see where I'm going here? DeLay was probably the most effective of all time at getting the Rep. conference to vote for or against bills, then get those votes scheduled at the right time. C'mon, Rodeo. Even the Dems acknowledge this.

Rodeo 04-04-2006 05:50 AM

Ok, he was a good manager.

Anything else? Any of those bills you are particularly proud of? I mean, did they cut spending? balance the budget? Eliminate unecessary programs? Demand accountability from government agencies? Fix social security?

He got the bills out ... what was the result?

hunter914 04-04-2006 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Lee
That he so drives Rodeo nuts is icing on the cake.
Childish at best. Is this what daddy was talking about RE: adults?


Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Lee
But I love his unapologetic style and ability to get things done.
Please list 5 "things he's gotten done". They don't even have to be good for the country, but please list them.

fastpat 04-04-2006 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rodeo
Bingo!

Just wrote that in another thread. Repubs care about Repubs. Americans care about America.

That's why Repubs are on the way out.

They will be on the way out as soon as the Democrats do the following:

1. Not only drop gun control from their agenda, but adopt a strict interpretation of the Second Amendment as protecting an intrinsic right to own any weapon.

2. Drop their anti-business policies, particularly those that prohibit small businesses and favor large ones.

3. Drop their income and inheritance wealth realocation policies.

4. Stop the class warfare crap.

5. Stop the religious support of the monstrous Franklin Roosevelt and his terrible American fascism.

As soon as they do those things, they'll be elected in droves and show the Republicans, who were born in corruption, the door.

Rick Lee 04-04-2006 05:54 AM

It's tough to list them in order, but I'm particularly proud of the repeal of the Assault Weapons Ban in 1996 or 1997, the passage of Meghan's Law, the Impeachment of Bubba, the passage of the Balanced Budget Amendment in '95 (failed in the Senate thanks to Mark Hatfield), the passage of Bush's tax cuts in 2001. Does this get you even more excited?

hunter914 04-04-2006 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lendaddy
Aren't you cute:) The adults are talking honey, hush hush.
Please tell me you have the flu or something and recently took Nyquil.

lendaddy 04-04-2006 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hunter914
Please tell me you have the flu or something and recently took Nyquil.
You got me there, bit of a chest cold these last few days. No meds yet today though, why do you ask? You hoping for a nip of pappys' cough medicine?

lendaddy 04-04-2006 06:50 AM

The spin is settling down and the reality is setting in. The millions Dems spent attacking DeLay has more than likely cost them a seat in '06. The general belief is that ANY Rep other than Delay will walk over the Dem challenger in that district.

A classic case of be careful what you wish for:)

hunter914 04-04-2006 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lendaddy
The spin is settling down and the reality is setting in. The millions Dems spent attacking DeLay has more than likely cost them a seat in '06. The general belief is that ANY Rep other than Delay will walk over the Dem challenger in that district.
Who spent these millions? What were they spent on? Where did the money come from? Sources man! C'mon, adults don't just post generalizations, they post sourced facts in honest debate.

general belief? WTF does that mean?

Rick Lee 04-04-2006 07:09 AM

The DNC, Nancy Pelosi, Campaign for America's Future and MoveOn.org have spent plenty of money (though not in the millions) with my company, issuing press releases attacking DeLay. I sure wish those were my accounts. Alas, DeLay's office was my client and I've lost him.

fastpat 04-04-2006 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Lee
It's tough to list them in order, but I'm particularly proud of the repeal of the Assault Weapons Ban in 1996 or 1997, the passage of Meghan's Law, the Impeachment of Bubba, the passage of the Balanced Budget Amendment in '95 (failed in the Senate thanks to Mark Hatfield), the passage of Bush's tax cuts in 2001. Does this get you even more excited?
The Assault Weapons Act of 1994 was not repealed, if that had been what was required, we'd still have it. The built in sunset clause was the only thing that got rid of this assault on the right to be armed.

Meghan's law I'm not particularly familiar with, so I'll look it up. Just as I thought, another usurpation of state power, so this is nothing to be proud of at all.

The Impeachment of Clinton could have been good, but for the fact that they impeached him over trivial matters, but left his gross violations of office and anti-Constitutional behavior alone. Now that we see the actions of Bush, we know why.

There are no tax cuts, only shifts in where the taxes fall. The only true tax cut is one where the revenue going to government is reduced. Anytime total tax revenue increases, that's a tax increase. True tax cuts reduce the amount of money sent to government by all tax sources, since as we know, the payer of all taxes is the individual American.

lendaddy 04-04-2006 07:14 AM

As Rick points out DeLay was a focus point or lightening rod for fund raising for the Dems. Anti-DeLay ads have been running in Texas pretty much non stop courtesy of non-texas sources.

Do you pay any attention to this stuff or just pop in for the occassional insult and/or ignorant comment?

fastpat 04-04-2006 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lendaddy
As Rick points out DeLay was a focus point or lightening rod for fund raising for the Dems. Anti-DeLay ads have been running in Texas pretty much non stop courtesy of non-texas sources.
Of course, you expected less? Clinton is still fulfilling that role for you neo-cons.

Quote:

Do you pay any attention to this stuff or just pop in for the occassional insult and/or ignorant comment?
What a silly statement. :rolleyes:

lendaddy 04-04-2006 07:22 AM

Sorry Pat I didn't know you knew hunter914, is he a member of your militia?

Rick Lee 04-04-2006 07:22 AM

Pat, the House DID repeal the AWB, but it never even got a serious look in the Senate. Plenty of stuff that passes the House dies a quiet death in the Senate.

lendaddy 04-04-2006 07:26 AM

Rick,

Can/Will DeLay transfer his campaign money to his replacement or is that not allowed? I'm not sure what the rules are.

hunter914 04-04-2006 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Lee
The DNC, Nancy Pelosi, Campaign for America's Future and MoveOn.org have spent plenty of money (though not in the millions) with my company, issuing press releases attacking DeLay. I sure wish those were my accounts. Alas, DeLay's office was my client and I've lost him.
Thanks for a good honest answer. Too bad the liberal media doesn't report enough on DeLay's various criminal activities so that they wouldn't have to, or perhaps they need to spend it to combat the right wing apologist media that spews out crap so guys like daddy have something to say, feel "connected", or are just being fed to fulfill their insecurities as angry white males who no one pays attention to. Rush has certainly filled that void and made more $ off of the daddies of the world than Pelosis could ever spend fighting the disinformation record.

lendaddy 04-04-2006 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hunter914
Too bad the liberal media doesn't report enough on DeLay's various criminal activities
Ok, now that I've stopped laughing:D
I believe it was you that said Sources man! C'mon, adults don't just post generalizations, they post sourced facts in honest debate.

So please post those crimes and your sources. This outta be good. :D

Rick Lee 04-04-2006 07:38 AM

Len, DeLay can do just about anything with his campaign war chest except keep it for himself. I'm sure he'll create a PAC or two and dole it out to GOP candidates, as most of them do.

Hunter, you're kidding right? You think the media are covering up for DeLay? Have you read some of the crackpot press releases I'm talking about? I read all of them and I pray for more. It's more money for my company and it makes the folks who issue them look like complete idiots. Dean and Pelosi are truly the gifts that keep on giving. For me it's a double dip.

Rodeo 04-04-2006 07:49 AM

Delay has very little money. The money dried up the same time his influence did.

Nothing but bugs and bars for his future. Couldn't happen to a nicer fellow.

Oh, Rick. Cutting taxes when you don't have the honor or decency to cut federal spending is not something to be proud of. Everyone blames Bush for the sorry state of our budget deficit and national debt. He showed a lack of leadership on the issue, no doubt, but Delay and Frist are the first tier felons in that regard. They ate through the surplus and destroyed, completely destroyed, any sense of fiscal sanity in our country. Our children will pay the price.

DeLay should go to jail for that alone.

lendaddy 04-04-2006 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rodeo
Delay has very little money. The money dried up the same time his influence did.
And by none you mean the second most of anyone?

Candidate Money Leaders
Top 10 House Candidate Receipts
Amount State
Party Candidate Name Through
1. $3,757,090 NJ
DEM MENENDEZ, ROBERT 12/31/2005
2. $3,227,775 TX
REP DELAY, THOMAS DALE 02/15/2006
3. $3,030,296 TN
DEM FORD, HAROLD JR 12/31/2005
4. $2,719,259 IL
REP HASTERT, DENNIS J. 03/01/2006
5. $2,637,247 FL
REP HARRIS, KATHERINE 12/31/2005
6. $2,007,885 IL
REP MCSWEENEY, DAVID 03/01/2006
7. $2,002,826 IL
DEM BEAN, MELISSA LUBURICH 03/01/2006
8. $1,873,604 CA
REP ROACH, VINCENT ERIC 03/22/2006
9. $1,851,266 TX
DEM LAMPSON, NICHOLAS 02/15/2006
10. $1,839,023 CA
DEM MATSUI, DORIS 12/31/2005

Rick Lee 04-04-2006 07:53 AM

Well Rodeo, I never said I loved anyone in Congress because of their spending (except for Tom Coburn). But you asked about some of the bills I was happy about. Disect it anyway you want. Dems would not have spent a penny less.

hunter914 04-04-2006 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Lee


Hunter, you're kidding right? You think the media are covering up for DeLay? Have you read some of the crackpot press releases I'm talking about? I read all of them and I pray for more. It's more money for my company and it makes the folks who issue them look like complete idiots. Dean and Pelosi are truly the gifts that keep on giving. For me it's a double dip.

Yes rick, just kidding on this one. daddy is one easy dude to get all riled up. i'd hate to be a pair of his panties. "those aren't pillows"!


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