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In the 70s, I'll bet you more golfers were hit by lightning than soldiers hit by hippie spit. -----------edit add----------------- In 1998 sociologist and Vietnam veteran Jerry Lembcke published "The Spitting Image: Myth, Media and the Legacy of Viet Nam." He recounts a study of 495 news stories on returning veterans published from 1965 to 1971. That study shows only a handful (32) of instances were presented as in any way antagonistic to the soldiers. There were no instances of spitting on soldiers; what spitting was reported was done by citizens expressing displeasure with protesters.
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The same bleeding heart struggles a wee bit to see fundamentalism as a crime, and wonders if Pat Robertson is going to be stuck in Gitmo soon. Or do we have a different definition of "fundamentalism"?
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I was in uniform during that time (although in the Coast Guard, and most people cannot tell the difference between the Coast Guard and the Navy) and although I met a few people who were outspoken, I never met anyone who even tried to spit on me or made any ontoward moves.
History is always revisionist.
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Homecoming: When the Soldiers Returned from Vietnam (Hardcover) by Bob Greene (Editor) Randy
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Urban legends have a way of turning into recollections. Reminds me of Reagan's misty eyed recounting of a soldier's story that he remembered from WWII that turned out to have been a movie he once saw. * repasted from above post: In 1998 sociologist and Vietnam veteran Jerry Lembcke published "The Spitting Image: Myth, Media and the Legacy of Viet Nam." He recounts a study of 495 news stories on returning veterans published from 1965 to 1971. That study shows only a handful (32) of instances were presented as in any way antagonistic to the soldiers. There were no instances of spitting on soldiers; what spitting was reported was done by citizens expressing displeasure with protesters.
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don't waste your time Randy, techie only likes the pictures
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or perhaps Clinton's "church burnings" in Arkansas or...
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My 1000 trumps your 495. Looks like I win, you lose...  Randy P.S. For the record, I made a slight edit to Tech's post. I underlined the number "495". Patsy, we cool on this one? 
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For Tim Beebe, the hard reality of what it meant to be a Vietnam veteran came a few months after he returned to the United States, when his riot control unit was sent to face off with protesters at the tumultuous 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago. “It became abundantly clear to me that there was something wrong with the fabric here,” Beebe remembers.
For Bob Peragallo, it came at the very moment he stepped off the plane in Los Angeles, when an anti-war protester spit in his face. “It just blew my mind,” said Peragallo, now an ordained minister in British Columbia. “We'd heard there was a lot of unrest but it was just a mess." Source. Randy
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When I flew out of my isolated assignmet and into Tachikawa Air Base in the fall of '69 I had to wait my turn to fly back to the states, four days it turned out. One evening I decided to go to the base theater to see a movie, and on the way back while waiting at the bus stop there was a guy, in his Vietnam issue slant pocket fatigues, all tanned and everything (everybody that returned from Vietnam had a great tan if you were still alive), and he was so wired up he couldn't sit down when I offered him a seat. Just four hours earlier, he related, he had been on a gunship mission pouring fire on somebody down below, and taking fire back. When he landed in Vietnam, someone met him at the plane and took him to get on a plane to Japan, and there he was, waiting on a bus on a balmy late summer night, in quiet Japan. Later, when I went to see Apocalyse Now, that imagery came back, my own little surreal experience. Lots of strangeness then, but no spitting. |
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AFFIDAVIT OF STEVEN J. PITKIN
STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PALM BEACH Before me, the undersigned authority, personally appeared Steven J. Pitkin, known, to me to be the person whose name is subscribed to this instrument, who, after first being duly sworn by me, upon oath stated: 1. My name is Steven J. Pitkin. I am over the age of twenty-one years, and I am fully competent and able to make this affidavit. I am able to swear, as I do hereby swear, that all facts and statements contained in this affidavit are true and correct and within my personal knowledge. 2. I am a combat veteran of the Vietnam War, having served with the Ninth Division of the U.S. Army beginning 25 May 1969. A mortar explosion wounded me, my wounds gradually became infected, and I was treated in an Army hospital in Okinawa. I contracted hepatitis C from blood transfusions I received during that time. I left Vietnam on 28 August 1969 and was honorably discharged from the Army on 9 September 1970. 3. Medals received for my Army service include: Combat Infantry Badge, Army Commendation Medal, National Defense Service Medal, Vietnam Service Medal, Vietnam Campaign Medal, RVN Cross of Gallantry, Air Medal, Purple Heart. 4. During my service in Vietnam, I neither witnessed nor participated in any American war crimes or atrocities against civilians, nor was I ever aware of any such actions. I did witness the results of Vietcong atrocities against Vietnamese civilians, including the murder of tribal leaders. 5. Upon my return to the United States I encountered anti-war protestors who, at various times, threw feces, spit, and screamed obscenities. 6. I joined Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), at Catonsville Community College in Baltimore in 1970. 7. In January of 1971, I rode in a van with John Kerry, a national leader of the VVAW, and others from Washington D.C. to Detroit to attend the Winter Soldier Investigation, a conference intended to publicize alleged American war crimes in Vietnam. Having no knowledge of such war crimes, I did not intend to speak at the event. 8. During the Winter Soldier Investigation, John Kerry and other leaders of that event pressured me to testify about American war crimes, despite my repeated statements that I could not honestly do so. One event leader strongly implied that I would not be provided transportation back to my home in Baltimore, Maryland, if I failed to comply. Kerry and other leaders of the event instructed me to publicly state that I had witnessed incidents of rape, brutality, atrocities and racism, knowing that such statements would necessarily be untrue. 9. In April 1971, I attended a VVAW protest in Washington D.C. known as “Dewey Canyon III.” During this event I was present when protestors, including John Kerry, threw medals and ribbons over a fence outside the U.S. Capitol. I witnessed a man holding a bag of ribbons and medals and handing them out to other protestors. I saw that many of the ribbons and medals were not those that would be received by veterans of combat in Vietnam. 10. During the “Dewey Canyon III” protest, others and I confronted protestors who were wearing or carrying Vietcong flags. 11. After the “Dewey Canyon III” protest, I was no longer invited to meetings of the VVAW in Baltimore, and ended my association with the organization. 12. I joined the 5/20th Special Forces Group of the Maryland National Guard in 1974, was graduated from paratrooper “jump school” with honors in 1976, joined the Coast Guard in 1978 and served there until my retirement in May 1997. (signed) Steven J. Pitkin Further affiant saith not. Subscribed and sworn to before me this 15th Day of September, 2004. Jonathan Feldman Commission # DD235268 My commission expires July 28, 2007 Source. Randy
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In other words, Randy, just like I said, these stories were bunk, are bunk now, and will be bunk in the future. |
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I don't, for one minute, believe any of this stuf (spitting, slapping, etc, ) occurred on a military installation. Moreso, it was done while the military person was easily outnumbered, at a bus stop, a local shopping center, or a myriad of other public places. Why didn't these guys stand up to themselves? Why didn't they press charges? Why didn't they defend themselves? Do the math. Most likely, these guys were outnumbered, in locations more apt to believe the word of their local "thugs", "tuff-guys" or whatever you may call them, than the words of some stranger passing through town. Sure, these guys were brave and combat seasoned, but they were also wise enough to move on. It's called discipline. But...I'll bet if you wanted to go through the effort to look for it, you'd be able to find records of these types of incidents that actually WERE reported. Randy
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Are you kidding me you pig?!
This from a guy who posts " I'll not repeat myself again", and "like I said" then repeats himself...................again. What within several posts of each other? Go wrap a towel around your head and act tough in front of your computer Steve
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I got spit on in uniform in the 70's. They didn't do it to your face as they are cowards. It is to the back of your head or the middle of the back of you shirt. When you turn around...everyone puts on that inocent look.
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