The way it should be done....

[Drdogface]

Got this article from a friend and I must say I totally agree...

CANBERRA - The Capital of Australia.

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks. A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state and its laws were made by parliament.

"If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you," he said on national television. "I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia, one the Australian law and another, the Islamic law, that this is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law, and have the opportunity to go to another country which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option," Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off". "Basically, people who don't want to be Australians, and they don't want to live by Australian values and understand them, well then they can basically clear off," he said. Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spies monitoring the nation's mosques.

BRITS, AMERICANS and CANADIANS.....ARE YOU LISTENING?


This is Leadership with guts! The way it is. The way it should be. Our men and women died in two world wars to get us this country and we are giving it away.

[widebody911]

Is this for real? Why can't we do that here?

[nostatic]

Originally posted by widebody911
Is this for real? Why can't we do that here?

that pesky constitution...

[Drdogface]

Originally posted by widebody911
Is this for real? Why can't we do that here?

We could do it here...the US Constitution is not the problem if these Muslims are not US Citizens, which most aren't. The problem is that this damn govt. is and has been too PC !

[gaijindabe]

It is good to see some backbone and seeing the Aussies value their own culture. The question that is never asked is who moved where..

[kang]

Originally posted by widebody911
Is this for real? Why can't we do that here?

We do do it here. The constitution trumps all other laws, religious or otherwise. We have separation of church and state. What you don’t see is Bush standing up and saying if you don’t like it, leave. But there is no real need for that here, is there? There is no Sharia law or theocratic state here, is there?

[Drdogface]

There is no Sharia law in Australia either but in both the US and Australia there are Muslim clerics preaching hate, telling their people that Sharia law is supreme and advocating violence toward we 'Infidels'. We need to invite them to leave...but we won't..and we'll continue to suffer consequences.

[jorian]

Gotta love the Auzzies.

[IROC]

Originally posted by Drdogface
There is no Sharia law in Australia either but in both the US and Australia there are Muslim clerics preaching hate, telling their people that Sharia law is supreme and advocating violence toward we 'Infidels'. We need to invite them to leave...but we won't..and we'll continue to suffer consequences.

One of the great things about the US, though, is that these clerics are legally able to "preach" whatever they want. It's not illegal to preach.

I will start to have a problem if some Muslim violates a US law and is not prosecuted because what he did was not illegal under Sharia law. Until they violate any US laws, they can do whatever they want as far as I'm concerned. How can we "suffer the consequences" if they don't violate any laws? Just because you don't like what they say doesn't mean they don't have a right to say it.

Mike

[jorian]

In Canada we already navigating a slippery slope. Although the issue is obviously less critical, our helmet laws here have been amended to allow a person who wears a turban the right to ride a mototrcycle without a helmet. I don't agree with it as it seems to penalize those who want to ride a bike sans helemt for NOT being hindu or punjab.

Although a totally assimilated, homogenous society would ultimately be a bore, I do believe in one set of laws for all. If you want to immigrate somewhere because its better than where you came from, you better be prepared to play by the locals rules. When in Rome...

[Drdogface]

Originally posted by IROC
One of the great things about the US, though, is that these clerics are legally able to "preach" whatever they want. It's not illegal to preach.

How can we "suffer the consequences" if they don't violate any laws? Just because you don't like what they say doesn't mean they don't have a right to say it.

Mike

To a point they have the right but when it comes to preaching/advocating/fomenting violence against Americans...or even more to the point...the Federal Govt. it crosses the line of legality. Consequences are that some of their mosque members will commit violence advocated by these clerics. There is certainly a limit to what you can say freely, even as an American Citizen...which I assume most of these are not.

Radical Islamics are the enemy of America, like it or not, and they have stated and deomonstrated that clearly. We should not allow them in our country

[IROC]

To a very great extent I agree with you, but there are lots of groups in this country that preach hate (Aryan Nation, KKK, etc.) and no one really "asks them to leave". They are tolerated. Like it or not, they have a constitutional right of freedom of speech.

I say that the Muslims are allowed to *say* anything they like, but the instant they (or any other group) breaks the law and puts their hate into action, we squash 'em like flies.

It's sort of like my Mom used to say, "gonnas don't count". You can't throw somebody out for something you think they're "gonna" do.

Mike

[jorian]

I think it will take some pretty big balls by law enforcement to crack down on clerics who advocate violence. Although parallels could be drawn to neo-nazi/skinhead hate-crimes, it seems like there is little will on the behalf of government/authorities to weigh in on how 'religion' is taught.

[techweenie]

In this country, you can think what you want. It's your behavior that potentially invokes authority.

Personally, I am happy to hold on to the ideals that make this country the envy of the free world.

[Drdogface]

How we treat American Citizens and how we treat 'guests' to our country is, in some cases, very different and should be. There are plenty of people, known assoc. of terroists, who are on watch lists and not allowed in. Skin Heads, Aryan Nation, and KKK, like it or not, are American Citizens for the most part. I think it was wrong in WW II to intern Japanese Americans but not so to deport non citizens. Is this not the same?

[Icemaster]

Originally posted by nostatic
that pesky constitution...

More like that pesky ACLU....

[techweenie]

Originally posted by IROC
It's sort of like my Mom used to say, "gonnas don't count". You can't throw somebody out for something you think they're "gonna" do.

Unless they're running an oil country.

[tabs]

The Oil Boyz who support the Jihad usually stand in the shadows quiet quietly.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by nostatic
that pesky constitution...

What you say is true, up to a point. Keep in mind that Islam is much more than a religion, and a stroke of a pen could rule it not a religion and not subject to any protections accorded religions in America. If muslims don't adapt to America, they could be forced to leave.

The same applies to illegal and legal immigrants as well.

[john70t]

quote:"One of the great things about the US, though, is that these clerics are legally able to "preach" whatever they want. It's not illegal to preach. "
--Remember recently where the Bush gov was going after churches who were preaching again the Iraq war, saying that their actions were political and not religeous and therefore TAXABLE?

Like I said before, we make things up as we go along.

There are many seperatist ethinic/social groups in the US which could be conceived of crossing that line, but I do agree that radical Islam is the most out-of-control worldwide and should be contained.