Iran, stop all oil exports from Iran

[snowman]

Stop all oil exports from Iran. We can take it, but can they? I doubt it. The peaceful (almost) way to solve a real problem.

We have to get tough with these bastards. Put them back on their camels, revoke their playboy club cards.

[fastpat]

Number one, in what way is Iran a problem for America or Americans?

Short answer, they are not.

That being so, why would Americans want to interfere with market forces with regard to oil?

Second short answer, they do not.

Leave these mideast countries the f*** alone, leave North Korea alone, and leave everyone else alone, except the countries that are invading America now; Mexico and other countries to the south of America.

[snowman]

Yeh, right Pat. We cannot leave them alone because they insist on picking on us. As long as they continue doing so, we must respond, and respond in a way that will make them never want to repeat their misguided ventures again.

Iran will become our number one problem if they get a nuke. If they do so, it will result in the deaths of millions of people. Is that what you want? Pat be honest.

If they cannot sell any oil, they lose all their power.

We cannot turn them all off at once, but we can do one at a time, and cripple them.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by snowman
Yeh, right Pat. We cannot leave them alone because they insist on picking on us. As long as they continue doing so, we must respond, and respond in a way that will make them never want to repeat their misguided ventures again.

If they cannot sell any oil, they lose all their power.

When did Iran pick on America, I must have missed it?

After the CIA installed the Shah on the throne in Iran in 1953, do you really think they've forgotten that? Considering how many Iranians died as a result of that little "regime change", and the US government support for the Iraqi invasion of Iran (than killed millions of Iranians) I think the Iranians have been remarkably docile.

Don't F*** with them, they've been messed around enough.

[snowman]

Iran started with the Hostage crisis. Remember that?

[fastpat]

Originally posted by snowman
Iran started with the Hostage crisis. Remember that?

No, they did not "started with the hostage crisis", check your dates again. The US government deposed an elected head of government in Iran in 1953, which killed hundreds of thousands of Iranians while the Shah was in power.

None of the so-called hostages were killed.

Yer pissin' up a rope here, try some other subject.

[dd74]

Originally posted by fastpat
Leave these mideast countries the f*** alone, leave North Korea alone, and leave everyone else alone, except the countries that are invading America now; Mexico and other countries to the south of America.

Good advice, however, because our economy is so dependent on many foreign countries, particularly in the Mideast and Asia, what do we do when those interests (and, please, don't ask me to define "interest(s)") are threatened?

You did see what happen to the market today, right? -106 points on the DOW, and that's because of Israel vs. Lebanon, with ties going back to Iran.

[dd74]

Originally posted by snowman
Yeh, right Pat. We cannot leave them alone because they insist on picking on us. As long as they continue doing so, we must respond, and respond in a way that will make them never want to repeat their misguided ventures again.

Iran will become our number one problem if they get a nuke. If they do so, it will result in the deaths of millions of people. Is that what you want? Pat be honest.

If they cannot sell any oil, they lose all their power.

We cannot turn them all off at once, but we can do one at a time, and cripple them.

There are too many other countries who get their oil reserves willingly from Iran to make a dent in Iran's finances. France for one, and Germany.

They'll continue to sell oil. All that will happen to us is we'll have an extreme shortage because we rely on foreign oil. We'll get shafted in the end by our own rod.

Of course, embargo of Iran's oil by us might also lead to galvanizing their effort, making them even more fiercely opposed to us.

The fact is we can't afford to not continue obtaining oil from Iran. Our demand is too high, and our supply is a drop in the bucket.

[dd74]

Originally posted by snowman
Iran started with the Hostage crisis. Remember that?

It started when the Shah was given medical treatment in the Mid-western U.S. I forget what state, but he was flown out carte blanc by the U.S., and subsequently protected even with our knowledge that he was a heinous murderer of genocidal proportions.

[speeder]

It was the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN. and it was arranged by David Rockafeller. The US govt. allowed him to come here for treatment, and I knew that there would be hell to pay. I remember walking to class w/ a friend, (I was a freshman at the U of MN.), and saying that the Iranians would not stand for it. My friend's response was, "oh yeah? WTF can they do?" 2 days later they stormed the embassy and took the hostages.

Snowman, politics aside, you are one seriously information-challenged dude.

[speeder]

The Shah, wonderful friend of big oil installed by the US govt. as a puppet, killed something like 5000 of his citizens in one ******* day for the crime of marching in the street against him. And not one peep from the US about it at the time.

Nothing justifies terrorism IMO, but get your history straight before you buy into the truly non-credible line that we have done no wrong in the ME and they just "hate us for our freedom", or whatever horseschit the Bush sales team is feeding the ignorant this week.

[Tervuren]

Originally posted by fastpat
Number one, in what way is Iran a problem for America or Americans?

Are you familiar with what Iran's leaders have been saying?

[widebody911]

Originally posted by dd74
he was a heinous murderer of genocidal proportions.

Yeah, but he was our heinous murderer of genocidal proportions...

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Iran recently entered into a pretty large deal to sell oil to China. I don't think they give a rats ass about selling to the U.S. or not - plenty of other markets out there.

[ZAMIRZ]

Yes, the brutality of SAVAK will NEVER be forgotten by Iranians. Basically, if you went to prison in Iran during the Shah's era, you did not come out. Lets be clear about one thing, the original Shah, Reza Khan was a great general and a high-ranking military official that rose to power and did an unbelievable amount of good for the country. You can liken him to a charismatic version of Dwight Eisenhower. Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, Reza Khan's son, was nothing more than a POS inhumane dictator that disolved the middle class and created a poor minority (the same poor minority Khomeini called upon for the revolution of '78/'79) and a rich elite. He was a puppet of western powers, often on the phone for hours on end with the CIA, who made it no secret that they were pretty much putting the orders in to SAVAK...

In the end however, even the Shah's best buddies, the U.S. being the most prominent, deserted him. Being the coward that he was, he hopped on a plane at the slightest uprising and took off. Sick with Waldenstrom's disease, he flew around a bit, got a lousy operation done in New York, hung out in Panama and then Anwar Sadat told him to come to Egypt, where he died. Nobody gave 2 **** to show up to the funeral except good ole Richard Nixon.

If you look at history, the U.S. has a track record for reaming Iran in the ass....and then everyone wonders why they're so pissed off at the U.S.

[widebody911]

Originally posted by snowman
Stop all oil exports from Iran. We can take it, but can they? I doubt it. The peaceful (almost) way to solve a real problem.

We have to get tough with these bastards. Put them back on their camels, revoke their playboy club cards.

This kinda reminds me of the "Don't buy gas from Exxon stations next Wednesday" chain letters...

[speeder]

Originally posted by widebody911
This kinda reminds me of the "Don't buy gas from Exxon stations next Wednesday" chain letters...

So you're saying this won't work??

[widebody911]

Originally posted by speeder
So you're saying this won't work??

Not unless you forward it to everyone in your address book!

[techweenie]

Originally posted by ZAMIRZ


If you look at history, the U.S. has a track record for reaming Iran in the ass....and then everyone wonders why they're so pissed off at the U.S.

All correct. Sadly, few Americans have a clue what misery and death our government has historically wrought around the world.

They have no knowlege of our roles in establishing both Iraqi and Iranian dictators, providing arms to both sides, and interfering endlessly in internal politics.

US media reports are biased, yes, but they are also dumbed down, as is world history as taught in our schools.

[RoninLB]

Originally posted by snowman


Stop all oil exports from Iran. We can take it, but can they? I doubt it. The peaceful (almost) way to solve a real problem.

afaik England controls gasoline imports. If England gets pissed off they don't drive their cars. Iran doesn't have any gasoline refineries.