Unconditional surrender, The Isreal solution

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Halm

4.) These radicals see democracy as corrupt.

Democracy is corrupt, but not just for the reasons they give. It's corrupt because it permits 50% + 1 to run almost everything with very few restrictions. That's just plain wrong.

Ultimately, democracy will allow the majority to live on the backs of the minority until systemic collapse.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by fastpat
Democracy is corrupt, but not just for the reasons they give. It's corrupt because it permits 50% + 1 to run almost everything with very few restrictions. That's just plain wrong.

Ultimately, democracy will allow the majority to live on the backs of the minority until systemic collapse.

And this.....my Pelican friends....is why we're not a democracy, but rather a republic.

Our founding fathers were wise....

[fastpat]

Originally posted by cool_chick
And this.....my Pelican friends....is why we're not a democracy, but rather a republic.

Our founding fathers were wise....

Unfortunately, the US government has slowly (most of the time) drifted from being a real republic to what is essentially a democratic unitary executive, with the legislative branch bickering over domestic spending spoils while the executive is given billions in military spending and foreign aid to spend with nearly no oversight of any kind.

The key events or Constitutional changes were Lincoln's two terms, which created the unitary executive upon demand, and the 16th and 17th Amendments, and of course the Supreme Courts rulings for the last 100 years granting huge increases in executive and legislative power to the government, with no method for the states to check that power.

[snowman]

I must agree with Pats final remarks. I just disagree with his analysis and application of that information to current events.

Taking factual information and forcing it to fit some preconceived notion of what should happen in the world is a trait most often attributed to communists.

I see a pattern here. If it looks like, talks like, acts like, taste like, then it most probably is.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by snowman
I must agree with Pats final remarks. I just disagree with his analysis and application of that information to current events.

Taking factual information and forcing it to fit some preconceived notion of what should happen in the world is a trait most often attributed to communists.

I see a pattern here. If it looks like, talks like, acts like, taste like, then it most probably is.

Unfortunately, you're really not gifted enough to follow my analysis.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by RoninLB
that's great info.. I just called the White House.
here you go.

...



Good luck!
Cordially, your friend,
Don Rumsfeld

What on earth does thia have to do with what I said?

[Halm]

Tech, you ignorant slut! (Just kidding, of course.)

I just finished watching Part III. The first 2 parts sets one up nicely for a continued logical and (marginally) supported theory. However Part III is all conspiratory grovel. Good grief, Al Qaeda doesn’t exist???

Be all that it may, this documentary says nothing to reduce my fears that the radicals –no matter how many or how few actually exist- want to kill me and my family. If anything it reinforces that radical Islam believes we are the problem because we are capitalists and non-believers. Nothing is said that these folks are looking forward in any way, shape or fashion, to sitting down with us and eliminating our differences.

IMHO, it not a matter of “if” but one of “when” they will strike at western society and how hard they will hit. Hence I support the option of a good offense is the best defense.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by Halm
Tech, you ignorant slut! (Just kidding, of course.)

I just finished watching Part III. The first 2 parts sets one up nicely for a continued logical and (marginally) supported theory. However Part III is all conspiratory grovel. Good grief, Al Qaeda doesn’t exist???

Be all that it may, this documentary says nothing to reduce my fears that the radicals –no matter how many or how few actually exist- want to kill me and my family. If anything it reinforces that radical Islam believes we are the problem because we are capitalists and non-believers. Nothing is said that these folks are looking forward in any way, shape or fashion, to sitting down with us and eliminating our differences.

IMHO, it not a matter of “if” but one of “when” they will strike at western society and how hard they will hit. Hence I support the option of a good offense is the best defense.

You may disagree with the conclusions about al Quaeda, but what I recommended the doc for was the background on radical Islam -- something it provides very well, I believe.

You obviously think the Jihadists are a much larger threat than I believe they are. I'm not quite the isolationist Pat is, but if we were not meddling in the ME, 9/11 never would have happened. OBL would be a historical footnote. Etc., etc.

I appreciate your taking the time to consider my views. It's a rare thing here on PBBS, and I can respect your opinion far more for having taken the time to consider another.

[speeder]

Originally posted by RoninLB
I think you got it all wrong Tim.

Denis has more than opinions. He's a textbook example of white guilt. Pick an issue and he'll follow the profile 100%. The more intense the issue the bigger the cage he's in. Hey, different strokes for different folks.

that said, I believe he's a good friend.

And since we're psychoanalyzing, Ronnie's mind is clouded with terrorists and over-sized cameltoes.

[Halm]

Tech, The issue for me is that the conclusions in the doc are in strong contrast to that of Steve Coll (NYT) and "Ghost Wars," the 2005 Pulizer Prize for non-fiction. For that matter there were several other factual diviations between the 2 but sine we are discussing Al Quaeda, I'll stick with that topic.

So what else have you read /discussed that makes you think Al Quaeda is a non-factor?

[RoninLB]

Cameltoes aside for one second..

Figuring all this worldwide crap today starts with one of two positions. Either you view that civilization is shaped by War and Economics or you don't. One can't last without the other if a yes.

simply either a one word Yes or No. Discount museum religions, buddists, nazi's, and whatever the Emperor used in WW2. War is War.

Do you believe we are at war? History shows that civilizations are shaped by who wins. [Social policies should be shaped with a major consideration of the worldwide economic war.. but that's another story.]

Any terrorist caught outside their mainland is a spy. During wartime Geneva+ says it's legal to just shoot them. If you just shot them immediately the antiwar crowd could move up the food chain to better issues like Hillary & Rummy holding hands for pr.

[Moneyguy1]

THere is government and then there is shadow government.

Question: Which one actually runs the country and establishes policy?

You decide.

[techweenie]

* "From the days of Sparticus, Wieskhopf, Karl Marx, Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire." — Winston Churchill, stated to the London Press, in l922.

* "There exists a shadowy Government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself." — Senator Daniel K. Inouye, during the Iran-Contra Hearings and former chair, U.S. Senate MK-ULTRA hearings, 1977.

* "The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes." — Felix Frankfurter, Supreme Court Justice.

* "The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." - J. Edgar Hoover

[snowman]

Its probably true, that the real rulers are behind the scenes, pulling the strings. Who with any brains would allow themselves to be placed in the position that politicians do?

Its really pretty complex. Some like Bill Gates, learned the hard way that they must pay their tithing to the talking heads or else they will get their tit run thru the ringer. Some pay the bills, some get the publicity. Politicians are loyal to absolutely no one. They have no morals, nothing, they are clay in the hands of their handlers. They get stroked, praised, paid off, and their masters pay the bills. Their masters get what they want in return. It will never change.

This brings me to the subject of public financing. What could be worse than a politician that answers to NO ONE??? I can't think of anything.

[john70t]

Novus Ordo Seclorum.
Wouldn't a one-world masonic elite have at it's core....communism?

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by RoninLB
[B]Cameltoes aside for one second..

What do cameltoes have to do with this thread?

Figuring all this worldwide crap today starts with one of two positions. Either you view that civilization is shaped by War and Economics or you don't. One can't last without the other if a yes.

I am, inclined to agree with you, yes.

simply either a one word Yes or No. Discount museum religions, buddists, nazi's, and whatever the Emperor used in WW2. War is War.

Again, yes.

Do you believe we are at war? History shows that civilizations are shaped by who wins. [Social policies should be shaped with a major consideration of the worldwide economic war.. but that's another story.]

To an extent, yes. They also feel they are at war. They feel no differently than we do....including the above quotes......

Any terrorist caught outside their mainland is a spy. During wartime Geneva+ says it's legal to just shoot them. If you just shot them immediately the antiwar crowd could move up the food chain to better issues like Hillary & Rummy holding hands for pr.

Can I see that geneva convention citation?

One of my all time favorite classics. But what's the point of her pic?.

[speeder]

OK, the cameltoe reference is my fault. Ron was putting me on the couch, (as George HW Bush used to say), psychoanalyzing me earlier in the tread. I was trying to do the same to him. Ron has a "Beautiful Mind", IMO, but like a lot of thinkers he is eccentric. Hope that clears it up, and no offense intended.

God, I sounded like Ron there, no?!

[fastpat]

Originally posted by john70t
Novus Ordo Seclorum.
Wouldn't a one-world masonic elite have at it's core....communism?

No, it would have merchantilism.

[Mike Feinstein]

Originally posted by fastpat
I reckon the Israeli's should simply even up the odds by leaving their air force on the ground, leaving their tanks in their paddocks, and only take the weapons that correspond with what Hezbollah is known to have. Then it would be a true test of courage on both sides in the fight.

But as long as the Israeli's hide behind armor and in aircraft, which is a form of cowardice, the opposition will use whatever tactics it can to compensate.

Didn't really want to chime in here because anti-Americans like my friend Pat will disregard my opinions only because of my last name but...

...this has got to be the all-time most idiotic and ill informed statement about war and conflict that has ever been spewed.

[snowman]

Mike, your are right on.