Patrick Bedard's reply to Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth.

David · David's Garage

In this month's Car & Driver, Patrick Bedard's column shoots down An Inconvenient Truth. A few excerpts:

"...an inconvenient truth about CO2 sources -- nature generates about 30 times as much of it as does man."

"In fact, [CO2]'s a minor contributor to the greenhouse effect when water vapor is taken into consideration. All the greenhouse gases together, including CO2 and methane, produce less than two percent of the greenhouse effect, according to Richard S. Lindzen of [MIT]."

"If everyone knows that water vapor is the dominant greenhouse gas, why do Al Gore and so many others focus on CO2? Call it the politics of the possible. Water vapor is almost entirely natural. It's beyond the reach of man's screwdriver. But when the delegates of 189 countries met at Kyoto in December 1997 to discuss global climate change, they could hardly vote to do nothing. So instead, they agreed that the developed countries of the world would reduce emissions of six man-made greenhouse gases. At the top of the list is CO2, a trivial influence on global warming compared with water vapor, but unquestionably man's largest contribution."

Racerbvd · Racerbvd's Garage

Because people like gore are more concerned about what feels good over facts, like many who post here.

artplumber · 08-01-2006, 07:04 PM

Also read an article ( don't know how scientifically valid) that since the antarctica is a little warmer, it is actually snowing there, and the ice sheet is getting thicker. Volume loss in the north is supposed to be being matched by volume gained over the central portion of antarctica. Hence, no sea level change. Who knows....

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

Patrick Bedard is a whole lot smarter than the combined intelligence of the National Academy of Science!

I know another automotive journalist who can prove the Holocaust never happened.

Thank God for automotive journalists!

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

read:

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/

Az911 · 08-01-2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by 125shifter
In this month's Car & Driver, Patrick Bedard's column shoots down An Inconvenient Truth. A few excerpts:

"...an inconvenient truth about CO2 sources -- nature generates about 30 times as much of it as does man."

"In fact, [CO2]'s a minor contributor to the greenhouse effect when water vapor is taken into consideration. All the greenhouse gases together, including CO2 and methane, produce less than two percent of the greenhouse effect, according to Richard S. Lindzen of [MIT]."

"If everyone knows that water vapor is the dominant greenhouse gas, why do Al Gore and so many others focus on CO2? Call it the politics of the possible. Water vapor is almost entirely natural. It's beyond the reach of man's screwdriver. But when the delegates of 189 countries met at Kyoto in December 1997 to discuss global climate change, they could hardly vote to do nothing. So instead, they agreed that the developed countries of the world would reduce emissions of six man-made greenhouse gases. At the top of the list is CO2, a trivial influence on global warming compared with water vapor, but unquestionably man's largest contribution."

Yes all the scientific date that Al Gore has can't be true because Patrick Bedard has one source that says other wise.

Az911 · 08-01-2006, 08:20 PM

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Originally posted by artplumber
Also read an article ( don't know how scientifically valid) that since the antarctica is a little warmer, it is actually snowing there, and the ice sheet is getting thicker. Volume loss in the north is supposed to be being matched by volume gained over the central portion of antarctica. Hence, no sea level change. Who knows....

Source?

jdm61 · 08-01-2006, 08:23 PM

When the earth was but a young planet,there was MUCH more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. The vast majority of it was eventually locked up in calcium carbonate and other such minerals.

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

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Originally posted by artplumber
Also read an article ( don't know how scientifically valid) that since the antarctica is a little warmer, it is actually snowing there, and the ice sheet is getting thicker. Volume loss in the north is supposed to be being matched by volume gained over the central portion of antarctica. Hence, no sea level change. Who knows....

Volume, yes, because snow is many times less dense than ice.

But overall, a dramatic loss of frozen water mass. I'll see if I can find the article I read. but you can also look up satellite photos of Greenland to see the loss of ice mass at the other pole...

Here's some info from JPL

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2006-028

jdm61 · 08-01-2006, 08:28 PM

What happened to the "Day After Tomorrow" theory that it is actually geting colder in response to global warming? lol

dtw · 08-01-2006, 08:32 PM

Seeing as our coasts will soon be receding...does anyone know if Algore has sold off his house on Figure Eight Island?

artplumber · 08-01-2006, 08:44 PM

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Originally posted by techweenie
Volume, yes, because snow is many times less dense than ice.

But overall, a dramatic loss of frozen water mass. I'll see if I can find the article I read. but you can also look up satellite photos of Greenland to see the loss of ice mass at the other pole...

Here's some info from JPL

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2006-028

IIRC it was mass equivalence not just volume, but as I can't quote the source....your results may vary...

bryanthompson · bryanthompson's Garage

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fastpat · 08-02-2006, 06:40 AM

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Originally posted by Racerbvd
Because people like gore are more concerned about what feels good over facts, like many who post here.

I wish that were true, but it is much worse than that. The "Global Warming" movement is all about egalitarianism and global one world control by the core of the worlwide socialist movement. It appears to be their last solid issue, they were on the verge of complete collapse before this issue was discovered by them.

The Kyoto Treaty was pure socialist clap-trap.

fastpat · 08-02-2006, 06:41 AM

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Originally posted by techweenie
Patrick Bedard is a whole lot smarter than the combined intelligence of the National Academy of Science!

I know another automotive journalist who can prove the Holocaust never happened.

Thank God for automotive journalists!

The NAS, a para-governmental agency, is as corrupt as the day is long.

sammyg2 · 08-02-2006, 06:50 AM

I would like to take this time to stress the fact that although I am distantly related to Al Gore, I have never met him, I don't share any of his political views, and I think he's a confused, mixed up asshat.

I can think of no other politician who has less credibility, unless you include that poverty pimp jesse jackson or some on the people on this board