Should the US first strike Iran?

[Rick Lee]

You think this ain't gonna play out by the '08 election? Jeb ain't running either.

[Rick Lee]

Frum left his speechwriting job in 2002 and since then it's been Mike Gerson, who just left a few weeks ago. No doubt, Frum still has friends in the WH and he is a bright guy. But remember he's out to sell books and get invited on talk shows and he certainly isn't privy to the real classified stuff (anymore).

[alf]

Originally posted by red-beard
And just how well is that working for the Indians?

I understand your point; but consider what our current policy has done for us and worse the actions of the Muslims done for them?

[Moneyguy1]

Ask yourselves:

Why does this situation even exist?

You might be surprised at the answer.

P.S. All you folks advocating war with Iran, please report to the nearest recruitment center tomorrow morning. Your Country will be needing your services.

[snowman]

Just nuke em. Think this won't work? Try it and see what happens. One of them threatens us, nuke them too. The ONLY way to fight a war. Otherwise forget it. Come back when we get serious.

As to conventional war, it would be stupid as we would lose a lot of troops. But is the US strung out to far? Give me a break. We haven't even had to give up a star bucks, we haven't changed a single thing in our lives, we could fight on 10 more fronts like we have and not even affect our economy.

[red-beard]

This makes me wonder a bit. The only effective weapons the Militant Islamic Fanantics have are suicide bombers and the world media. We need to change the game. Maybe tactical nukes, or the type that penetrate deep into the ground before exploding, would be one way for us to use one of our advantages. I like the idea of the deep penetrators, which would most likely keep any fall out to a minimum.

Of course the world media would crucify us if we do this.

Originally posted by alf
I understand your point; but consider what our current policy has done for us and worse the actions of the Muslims done for them?

Just what has it done for us? No attacks on US soil? A vibrant ecomomy? Which effect are you talking about?

[svandamme]

Originally posted by red-beard


Just what has it done for us? No attacks on US soil? A vibrant ecomomy? Which effect are you talking about?

maybe the effect, that you lot are living in a kingdom of fear?

fear or the fact that there's a lot of bigmouthing pussies on a forum , instead of signing up for active duty ??

see , i don't need to do anything to backup my claims, i can stay put and not sign up, but all you war talking bunch , different story isn't it?

[svandamme]

Originally posted by JanusCole
f*ckers are the very people we spilled American blood to liberate. They hate us because our ally, Isreal, was fighting their "Shiite brothers" in Hezbollah. Imagine the nightmare we'd face if we attacked their Shiite brothers in Iran.

didn't you guys go in , because the head honcho over there "tried to kill Dubbya's daddy" and "was supporting Terrorists" and "was actively working on WMD's" , "threat to America"

aah , i get it , all the other coverstories have been blown , so it's time to call it "liberate the civvies", which also is a handy one, cause now you can pull the sad little puppy thing about "we rescued them and now they boo us... boooo hoo hoo "

seriously guys, at what point are you guys ever going to admit that it was a screwup by your fearless leader, count your losses , and evacuate like you did in Saigon ?? how much more GI's need to return in a body bag? how many more collatoral damage to the innocents over there???

i've said it before, and i'll say it again

you cannot win from an enemy who is willing to suffer twice as hard as you are willing to take yourself... an enemy that win's morally in his home region , no matter what he does , no matter what you do, because either he becomes a martyr , or he clips one of you...

the only solution , is to make yourself less of a target
to get out of the hornets nest

[fastpat]

Originally posted by svandamme
didn't you guys go in , because the head honcho over there "tried to kill Dubbya's daddy" and "was supporting Terrorists" and "was actively working on WMD's" , "threat to America"

aah , i get it , all the other coverstories have been blown , so it's time to call it "liberate the civvies", which also is a handy one, cause now you can pull the sad little puppy thing about "we rescued them and now they boo us... boooo hoo hoo "

seriously guys, at what point are you guys ever going to admit that it was a screwup by your fearless leader, count your losses , and evacuate like you did in Saigon ?? how much more GI's need to return in a body bag? how many more collatoral damage to the innocents over there???

i've said it before, and i'll say it again

you cannot win from an enemy who is willing to suffer twice as hard as you are willing to take yourself... an enemy that win's morally in his home region , no matter what he does , no matter what you do, because either he becomes a martyr , or he clips one of you...

the only solution , is to make yourself less of a target
to get out of the hornets nest

The neocon's continual wail about what "those people" are doing "to us" is in reality a barefaced screed of what they're really like. As Tom DiLorenzo so eloquently put it today,

...Nothing excites a neocon like the prospect of a dictatorial chief executive waging an unconstitutional war that could kill hundreds of thousands...*

*'Vote for Me . . . and for World War Three'

[widebody911]

Originally posted by snowman
We haven't even had to give up a star bucks, we haven't changed a single thing in our lives, we could fight on 10 more fronts like we have and not even affect our economy.

Can someone give this young man a lift down to the recruiting center? I'll spring for gas and lunch.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by alf
I wonder how we Americans would react if the Iranians did the same thing to us. Would we quietly sit down and accept our new tyrant or would we rise and fight with all we got? I reckon that even to most peaceful among us will do the latter.

Want to stop war? Learn from Ghandi.

The terrorist faction of Islam has done it to us. Not sure if everyone has forgotten but lets see...

1. WTC 1
2. WTC 2
3. Spain
4. Bali
5. London
6. India

Is that enough or do I need to list a few more?

Ghandi's followers now have the bomb, as do their enemies, the Pakistanis. Seems that non-violence but holding a big stick (nuke weapon) works very well. I like your idea!

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
The terrorist faction of Islam has done it to us. Not sure if everyone has forgotten but lets see...

1. WTC 1
2. WTC 2
3. Spain
4. Bali
5. London
6. India

Is that enough or do I need to list a few more?

You forgot to list the 80 years of US government murders and meddling that brought on the above, eh, Joe?

It's really something to see these feckless neocons attempt, still, to state that these muslim fanatics "just came out of nowhere" to harm Americans.

America and Americans are well passed believing such tripe, Joe.

[tabs]

Fast, your a few cards short of a full deck. If the US government is an illegal govt. then the retirement check U get from them is illegal to. So send it back if U don't like it. Me thinks U protest too much. Besides whatever happens your on the same ship as the Libs, Conservatives and everybody in between. So it doesn't fking matter what U think, those people in Washington represent U to the world....Oh NO mr Terroorist please don't kill me, the US govt is illegal".

Van Damme....What makes U think that your not going to go down with the the USA. Hate to tell U but your included on the Islamic Jihads list to...


If the USA attacks Iran, all the Shi!te Militias will rise up and attack American Forces in Iraq. As I stated in another thread we could very well lose an Army or be faced with a Dunkirk type of situation. US Airpower would be our saving grace, because that would be able to keep them off of us long enough.

[svandamme]

Originally posted by tabs

Van Damme....What makes U think that your not going to go down with the the USA. Hate to tell U but your included on the Islamic Jihads list to...

what makes you think that?

[tabs]

Your in RANGE of Teheran...your head is directlyon the block and your the New Hostage....a Dane writes a Cartoon and look what happened...U better start learning the Koran, cause they are taking U over.

[svandamme]

big deal i grew up in range of thousands of nukes
didn't bother me one bit...

besides, the Iranians can't reach western Europe, they can barely reach Greece

and i'm fairly convinced that they would probably think nuking Holland would be a waste of nuke, they'de rather send it to Israel...

[tabs]

Originally posted by svandamme
big deal i grew up in range of thousands of nukes
didn't bother me one bit...

So did Americans...and whether you admit/know it or not it DOES effect U.

[IROC]

What I find interesting is that we (the US) feel we have to right to tell other countries whether or not they can possess nuclear weapons while we sit on enough warheads to destroy the world.

Iran is going to forge ahead with whatever their plans are regardless of what we say. Just as we listen to world opinion when we make decisions to invade other countries.

The only real value of nuclear weapons is as a deterrent. You really can't use them. Do we fear that Iran will use them unilaterally or do we fear that if Iran develops the capability, our ability to do whatever we want in the region will be impacted? I'm afraid it is the latter.

I think the best solution for the US is to make sure that Iran fully understands the gravity of their decision. Calmly point out that if they develop this capability and use it against us (on even a small scale), we will reduce their entire plot of land to glass. We don't care if it is at the hands of a terrorist or as an official act of the Iranian government.

Mike

[tabs]

IROC ...Tom Friedman of the NY Times has said the same thing. Send them a note saying go ahead and make your bomb but if you use it we know where you live.

[svandamme]

please, effect me , off course it does
just like the rain effects me when i'm driving my car , but it doesn't mean i'm afraid to drive when it's wet now does it

but again tabs, as mentioned earlier in the thread
it's so easy to talk war when your just typing on your keyboard, letting others do the dirty work and the dying right?if you're so convinced about things, go sign up instead of bigmouthing on the forum all the time...

i'll help you out a bit

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