Before you enlist

[Rikao4]

'I signed up because I wanted to go to school and see the world'
checking his gear before I pushed him out the door,
I said.. 'this will make a great term paper...'
Rika

[Mr_Wizard]

Originally posted by cashflyer
...I never received a penny of Montgomery GI Bill money

1. Did you sign up for it in boot camp?
2. Have you gone to college and if so why did you not complete the paperwork to do it? (online easy as hell)
3. Have you been out 10+ years (maximum eligibility after end of service for GI Bill)?
3. Did you receive an honorable discharge?

You can not be refused your GI Bill unless you did/did not do some of the above. GI Bill is working out just fine for me. Have not paid a dime for school yet.

[cashflyer]

Originally posted by fastpat
In truth, isn't that because you matured normally?

Maybe they just sped up the natural process. I still give them credit.

Originally posted by Mr_Wizard
1. Did you sign up for it in boot camp?
2. Have you gone to college and if so why did you not complete the paperwork to do it? (online easy as hell)
3. Have you been out 10+ years (maximum eligibility after end of service for GI Bill)?
3. Did you receive an honorable discharge?

You can not be refused your GI Bill unless you did/did not do some of the above. GI Bill is working out just fine for me. Have not paid a dime for school yet.

1- yes
2- yes, twice, two degrees - there was no "online" back then.
3- 19yrs, 7mos
3- hell yes

Without going into great details about my adventures with various Department of Veterans Affairs officials, I'll just say from first had experience that "yes, they can." Apparently all they have to do is "lose the paperwork".

[Mr_Wizard]

There should be a microfich of your original enlistment papers. And as a matter of personal responsibility, u should have made copies of everything when you had the chance.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by rcecale
Anywhere near Travelers Rest, SC? I heard that town has a serious deficiency of real patriotic Americans.

Randy

Nah, it looks like Langley (Hampton VA). Actually, the folks I know in Travelers Rest are quite patriotic. They tell me that there is a nutbag that moved there that is pretty crazy though. Wears mismatched pieces of military uniforms and pretends that he was once in the military. They believe that he is from CA or is a liberal northerner othat just pretends to be a southerner. Eventually I would like to move back to Alpharetta (or maybe Marietta or Duluth though). I plan on passing through that way (Travelers Rest) quite often though..as I have a lot of friends in the area and own property just to the northwest and to the southeast.

[cashflyer]

Originally posted by Mr_Wizard
There should be a microfich of your original enlistment papers. And as a matter of personal responsibility, u should have made copies of everything when you had the chance.

Maybe it was different when you were in, but I don't remember having a lot of time to borrow the photocopier as I and a company of other recruits were being ushered through the admin building to sign papers.

Anyway, the "personal responsibility" is taken care of. I have a copy of my records that I requested through the DVA after I got out. And I have copies of a few of my old LES forms, which prove I contributed my share to the fund. But that still doesn't change the fact that they managed to not hold up their end of the agreement.

It was 20 years ago. It doesn't matter any more.
I worked. I put myself through college. There's "personal responsibility" for you.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by azasadny
Being in the military and whining about going to war is like a mechanic who complains about getting grease under his fingernails. It's part of the job...

Hey I know that guy...........expensive too. I'm still redoing the work I paid him to do.

[Groesbeck Hurricane]

I will ALWAYS hire ex-military over a person who never served their country. I didn't serve because XXXX was President is a BS excuse and should be quickly followed by a slap in the face!!! In all times, we NEED to have good people guarding us, standing that simple line in front of those who would do harm to this country.

Keep in mind: It is The Military who freed this country, it is The Military who keep this country free, and it is The Military who are yet born who will maintain our freedom in the future. If you don't respect the people working to keep your fat rear free then I PERSONALLY invite you to leave!!!!!

Maturity happens. To some people, it takes 13 years, to others 60. The Military provides training, guidance, direction, and satisfaction for a job well done. These are the things that bring TRUE maturity. The ability to take responsibility and the knowledge of how to act/use responsibility are learned in The Military.

I personnal believe that ALL citizens should be required to serve a minimum of one year (preferably two) in SERVICE to this country. The service would be done in The Military, or The Peace Corps, or The Civilian Conservation Corps. Required to complete prior to turning 25 or you are thrown out of the country and NEVER allowed to return or receive benefits from this country. Oh, and just throw in a huge fine for not serving just for grins.

In case you were wondering, I served 8.5 years on active duty in the Air Force. Volunteer.

[Mr_Wizard]

Originally posted by cashflyer
I worked. I put myself through college. There's "personal responsibility" for you.

Well would u like a cookie? Still your fault you did not press the issue. Guess you really did not want the money.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Did they lie to you Pat? They did, didn't they? Let it out big fella, let it all out.

No, at the time I enlisted in the Air Force, they were very upfront about what I was in for, but then you must remember that in 1967 there was a waiting list to get in the USAF and in the location I enlisted they would not take anyone without a high school diploma or better.

Today, they're near desperation to get recruits, so much so that the entry requirements have been substantially reduced.

[rcecale]

Originally posted by fastpat
Today, they're near desperation to get recruits, so much so that the entry requirements have been substantially reduced.

You sure about that?

Link 1
As part of its force-shaping initiative, the Air Force will accept fewer new recruits in fiscal year 2007 than they did in fiscal year 2006. This makes the third year in a row that the Air Force has reduced their recruiting goals.

To match the Air Force's new strength numbers, next year's recruiting goals have reduced by nine percent. The service will be seeking 27,760 high school graduates or the equivalent, ages 17-28 to enlist in its ranks between 1 October 2006 to 30 September 2007 (a "fiscal year" runs from Oct to Sep). This is a reduction from 30,258 for fiscal year 2006.

Link 2
Tier 1 - High School Graduate

This means a diploma, not a GED. It also includes those who have completed at least one semester of full-time college (defined as 15 semester credit hours or more). The vast majority of enlistees (well over 90 percent) fall into this category.


High School Diploma: Based on attendance and completion of a 12 year or grade day program of classroom instruction; issued from the school where the individual completed all the program requirements.

Adult Education Diploma: Secondary school diploma awarded on the basis of attending and completing an adult education or diploma "external" program, regardless of whether the diploma was issued by a state or by a secondary or post-secondary educational institution. For adult education diploma holders to be categorized Tier I high school graduates, their educational program must include attendance which is comparable to that of traditional high schools. Diploma holders possessing attendance not deemed comparable, and/or have been credited attendance based on some form of test-based credential, are usually classified as Tier II status.

The Army allows applicants who is currently enrolled in an adult education or college program, and who further is expected to graduate or attain the required credits within 365 days may to enlist in the Delayed Enlistment Program (DEP).

Completed One Semester of College: A person who attends a college or university and successfully completes at least 15 semester or 20 quarter hours of college-level credit. "Successfully completed" means that the individual earned college-level credits (level 100 or higher) toward a degree in higher education from an institution listed in the degree granting section of the current version of the Accredited Institutions of Post-secondary Education (AIPE), published by the American Council on Education for the Council of Post Secondary Accreditation. NOT all institutions listed in the current AIPE are considered as offering college-level credits. The credits must have been earned through actual classroom participation at the institution awarding the credits.

Note: For the Army, completion of college courses below the 100 level will be accepted for enlistment if the course is clearly identified as a college level course and credit will be recognized by the college towards graduation and degree completion requirements. An original letter on the college letterhead stationary is required to verify the status of courses completed.

This just reeks of "desperation", doesn't it?

Randy

[Rodeo]

Yea, all that talk about the Army meeting its recruitment goals only by adding 1,000 more recruiters and lowering standards significantly is liberal traitor talk.

Real Americans ignore bad news.

[fintstone]

Traitors make up bad news.

[Rodeo]

And blowhard idiots ignore unpleasant facts and carry on with failed, flawed policies.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by rcecale
You sure about that?

Yep, lowering recruitment goals, lowering standards for recruits, and putting more personnel into recruiting is SOP.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

[lendaddy]

You can accuse Pat of lots off things, but not being sure of something isn't one of them.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Rodeo
And blowhard idiots ignore unpleasant facts and carry on with failed, flawed policies.

So... stop doing it and maybe people will stop thinking of you as such.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by lendaddy
You can accuse Pat of lots off things, but not being sure of something isn't one of them.

One can only wonder where he gets his "information."

[Moneyguy1]

AS I wonder myself about MANY posters here.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by fintstone
One can only wonder where he gets his "information."

Parchment........Parchment.....