Korean NUKE TEST

[svandamme]

Originally posted by dd74
South Africa is where I might head. Or deep, deep South America. Nothing down there but llamas, communists and aging Nazis, and I could give a *****e less about either.

frankly , it doesn't matter if there is even 20% of the normally inhabitable land available...

if you weren't there before the event, you'll be to dead, to sick, or too unimportant to get to that 20% and be allowed in...

let's face it , if you have 1 acre of good land, will you allow in 30 farmers simply because they managed to ruin theirs with radiated concrete and have no where else to go??? i think not. in fat, you'de be stupid to let them in...

you can save your self, and those you care for , but you can't if you are suddenly outnumbered by foreiners who can't sustain themself.

[berettafan]

Curling! Holy **** i completely forgot about curling!

Look out baby, i was .500 on the cruise ship playing shuffleboard so i am READY!

i'm gonna go watch Canadian Bacon again to get ready for my citizenship test!

[berettafan]

Stijn, wise man say 'you only own what you can defend'

It won't be pretty if we all gotta crowd into one small area.

[svandamme]

Originally posted by berettafan
Stijn, wise man say 'you only own what you can defend'

It won't be pretty if we all gotta crowd into one small area.

i don't believe there would be such a small safe area if there ever is a nuclear exchange....

but if there is such an area left, i'm sure that scene will be a demonstration of humanities worst behaviour ( for as long as the Nuclear exchange itself would not be convincing enough )

i've said it before and i'll say it again
if the **** hit's the fan, pray you are close to the fan
frontrow tickets are the ones to have

if you are far enough to not be instantly incenerated, and might survive if you duck and cover.. well why duck and cover , only to roast slowly ??

[charleskieffner]

im building my 51 foot ladder to scale the 50 foot wall we are gonna build along the mexican border, when the big one hits ! until then................im thinking about investing in a concrete batch plant somewhere btwn san diego and texas! should make a few bucks before kim ill jong dong blows us to kingdom come!

my other idea is to get the krylon paint warehouse on the mexican side of border so the taggers can spray paint the wall!


i'll be rich! build the wall w/my concrete, maybe build a few bomb proof bunkers here and there, and sell spray paint to the taggers!



WHAT A CONCEPT!!!!!!

and then get the louisville ladder warehouse on the mexican side and sell ladders! this just keeps snowballing!

[red-beard]

A plane isn't going to make it through the containment building on a US commercial nuke plant. They are designed to take a 5000lb bomb and keep on ticking.

Chernobyl was built in a regular old metal sided factory building with shielding, but no containment.

#1. the same thing can't happen in the US, as we use a completely different reactor design

#2. if a major problem happened, it would be contained like TMI. The reports of radition from TMI turned out to be naturally occuring radon

#3. 100 bombs will not cause a nuclear winter. Between us and the russians, we've set of more than that.

#4. Nuclear power plants produce less atmospheric radiation than coal fired plants (there is radium in most coal)

#5. Nuclear waste is _less_ radio active after running through a nuclear fuel cycle than the uranium/plutonium put in. In effect, by running a nuclear plant, and mining the uranium ore, we are actually cleaning the planet and reducing radiation.

Si hablo espanol, por despues el guarre nuclear

[charleskieffner]

man red beard i feel better already! just as long as kim ill jong dong, doesnt get any bigger ones! we should be safe for a while..............well until the next little tin god comes along rattling sabres!

[dd74]

Originally posted by red-beard
A plane isn't going to make it through the containment building on a US commercial nuke plant. They are designed to take a 5000lb bomb and keep on ticking.

Chernobyl was built in a regular old metal sided factory building with shielding, but no containment.

#1. the same thing can't happen in the US, as we use a completely different reactor design

#2. if a major problem happened, it would be contained like TMI. The reports of radition from TMI turned out to be naturally occuring radon

#3. 100 bombs will not cause a nuclear winter. Between us and the russians, we've set of more than that.

#4. Nuclear power plants produce less atmospheric radiation than coal fired plants (there is radium in most coal)

#5. Nuclear waste is _less_ radio active after running through a nuclear fuel cycle than the uranium/plutonium put in. In effect, by running a nuclear plant, and mining the uranium ore, we are actually cleaning the planet and reducing radiation.

Si hablo espanol, por despues el guarre nuclear

I'm confused. So you're saying, "Yes, dd74, I'll move down to Uruguay with you."

[fastpat]

Originally posted by snowman
no big cancer clusters, only a few that were very directly affected by those tests, i.e. witnessed them.

Actually, there was a spike in thyroid cancers during the above ground tests, that returned to expected rates after it stopped. Not an epidemic, but measurable.

[snowman]

Did you know that there are people that were at ground zero in Japan that survived? Some of them are still alive. A nuke attack would be bad, very very bad, but probably not the end of the world, only the end of the world as we know it. Radiation is way overblown in terms of its danger. Its sort of like a perverse lottery. The larger the dose (the number of tickets) the more likely you are to "win", ie die. But like any lottery there are those that never win, in this case they get to live. I have a minor in nuclear physics and basic understanding of what happens to people as a result of radiation exposure. Most of the radiation scares from things like Three Mile Island are a total joke, no one will ever be able to measure the result. The other extreem, like down town Hershoma, is a bit differen't, most will die, but NOT ALL. Any nuke attack on the US would probably produce a large number of dead, an equal number of seriously affected people, a larger number of people in a grey area, where you would have to monitor the statistics to tell the result, and a very large number of people who would have no difference in their life spans and disease.


Nuclear winter could only result if everyone detonated all of their nukes, quite unlikely, and even then, given the volcanic effects of the past (1000s of equivalent nukes), its not a sure thing.

The only way we can win in the game of nuke standoffs is to have a CREDIBLE response. The enemy must know that we will respond with a total response that will destroy his entire country, otherwise our deterent will fall flat and we will suffer. At some point we will say Screw their innocent people, no more of our innocent people will die. Just like Dresden. We are the same people, we will do it again. We will light their air on fire, we will light their streets on fire, they will cease to exist.

[dd74]

Originally posted by snowman

The only way we can win in the game of nuke standoffs is to have a CREDIBLE response. The enemy must know that we will respond with a total response that will destroy his entire country, otherwise our deterent will fall flat and we will suffer. At some point we will say Screw their innocent people, no more of our innocent people will die. Just like Dresden. We are the same people, we will do it again. We will light their air on fire, we will light their streets on fire, they will cease to exist.

I think this was true during the Cold War up through the Reagan years. But when Bush I came around and Iraq defied mostly the entire world, I think the world turned a corner with authority, where authority was now being ignored as to what countries like the U.S. has to say about its actions.

NK realizes this. They see us as financially, militarially and morally bankrupt, hence unable to back up our threats.

NK may have blown up a nuclear dud, but they have the U.S. pegged pretty well as currently unable to engage them.

[snowman]

So clinton has lost our credibility of our nk deterrent.